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Oh dear... Horikoshi isn't a good writter but at least he didn't go so far to make that atrocious "Eri will rewind Shigaraki and the villains into kids" real, neither the equally awful "Shigaraki will unlock the Overhaul part of Decay".

Thank god it didn't happen, just for that I can forgive a lot of shit of the final arc.

Isn't ironic how the lov fans are also really selective in terms of who can be saved and not? The love to shit on the heroes for not save their precious babies, but is like only 3 villains exist for them.

Like why Chisaki wouldn't deserve to be saved as well? He had a shitty life and his crimes are far less worse than mass murdered like the LOV did.

But nah... no villains deserves to be saved aside of the league of lames.

You can imagine how happy makes me see them getting angry because Chisaki and Muscular the "pure evil" villains are alive while crusty bitch and his friends are rotting in hell.

The ship of Kurogiri and Compress is so random and for some reason is super popular despite they have no interactions whatsoever. Like I don't care about Kurogiri, but considering Shigarakumo is somewhere inside and has to deal with all that bs from Compress... eh I feel for the poor boy.

Have you ever think on how rewrite Compress?

Like I've always thought he must be one of the worse written characters in this series, and that's saying a lot when your writer is Horikoshi.

Outside of being handsome under that stupid outfit and his quirk, everything about Compress is kind of lame. Many other characters have similar concepts but much better execution.

I have some ideas to change his entire role, but nothing serious yet.

Hi @nyc3

Glad you ask bc...I never really gave much thought on Compress. Yes, he is handsome (everyone in MHA is handsome but Izu who Hori says is a gag character) but the man is ...meh, to me. Lov stans go nuts and call him the "dad of the group" and jokes aside....

He isn't even remotely close to be on this label. Kuro? I get it (even if Shig is uncaring for the Nomu. I get why, more or less, I mean I can imagine it's bc how Kuro was passive in the whole shit afo did...but shig still remain faithful to afo) but Mr. Compress is nothing.

Yes, he says one nice thing to Toga (another nutcase) but this is nothing. I do admit lov can work with each other and it's more than Izu gets...but that's the bare minimum.

So no. Mr. Compress is just a big nothing....but he is handsome.

At least he isn't a Spinner.

Dont be a Spinner.

I wouldn't call everyone in MHA handsome (look at Spinner).

But yeah... something really funny about lov stans is that they don't seem to like the canon characters they claim to love, they only are fans of these weird idealized fanon versions of a bunch of psychos and surprise surprise, they get a bit mad when Horikoshi doesn't follow their weird headcanons.

Have you ever wonder why lov stans were so mad when Dabi the maniac serial killer didn't turn to be a secret knight in white armor who fight for his family and is a sjw? His fans eated his fanon version for so many years that eventually accepted that as real, and got a breakdown moment when the canon Dabi was nothing like the fanfics.

Compress on the other hand doesn't even have much of a fanon identity either. Aside of the "dad" jokes he's kinda ignored.

I wish the concept of the grandson of a villain Robin Hood from the old tines was used for a hero instead, that would be an interesting spin for a character who wants to "correct" the legacy of his bloodline.

Have you ever think on how rewrite Compress?

Like I've always thought he must be one of the worse written characters in this series, and that's saying a lot when your writer is Horikoshi.

Outside of being handsome under that stupid outfit and his quirk, everything about Compress is kind of lame. Many other characters have similar concepts but much better execution.

I have some ideas to change his entire role, but nothing serious yet.

Hi @nyc3

Glad you ask bc...I never really gave much thought on Compress. Yes, he is handsome (everyone in MHA is handsome but Izu who Hori says is a gag character) but the man is ...meh, to me. Lov stans go nuts and call him the "dad of the group" and jokes aside....

He isn't even remotely close to be on this label. Kuro? I get it (even if Shig is uncaring for the Nomu. I get why, more or less, I mean I can imagine it's bc how Kuro was passive in the whole shit afo did...but shig still remain faithful to afo) but Mr. Compress is nothing.

Yes, he says one nice thing to Toga (another nutcase) but this is nothing. I do admit lov can work with each other and it's more than Izu gets...but that's the bare minimum.

So no. Mr. Compress is just a big nothing....but he is handsome.

At least he isn't a Spinner.

Dont be a Spinner.

A soft Valentine's gift for them <3 Thank you @nyc3 for the most excellent mental image!

Full image under the cut, mind the 🍑

Could she have both of them? If you're into poly relationships like I do...

Cider is just coded to be a bit goofy yet lovely dork who makes Izu fell in love because of how natural he acts all the time. He should probably only be himself rather than try hard on impress her like others will do in the same situation.

While is fair for her to get revenge on Bakugou, let Cider being the real men who protects Izu and helps to give BK a good lesson. After all Izu needs to be really protected by someone who loves her for once.

You can't imagine how much I love the Cider House leader guy...

A minor villain has no right to look so cool, badass and handsome like he does.

Also he probably got the best water quirk of the series.

Also he got so much sassy energy on top of having such insane drip.

Being one of his like 3 fans isn't easy, but still love him.

Don't worry, I'm also studying for many upcoming exams on top of having to deal with my job lol. So I also answer a bit late.

I guess for that dude in particular it might be because he's tied to two semi popular characters who are Midnight and Mina. While Cider doesn't really have any ties with other characters in canon sadly.

...

To me the best kind of fanservice is the one that gives you some kind of emotional reaction other than horny for the sake of being horny.

Really sometimes having a cute but intimate moment can have a better effect than just two characters being thirsty for each other.

And about the Himuras reasons to disown Cider... don't think to much about it, cause their logic is very twisted. Mizunami is great on his own but since he's not "the standard" that's reason enough to hate him according to the clan.

Can't stop thinking about a CiderDeku focused AU in which our favorite seltzer boy and Midoriya work as part time vigilantes together.

And since Izuku has a fire bending quirk in this AU, the contrast of his quirk and Cider's (who is named Mizunami Himura in this story) make people start calling them "Steam-Bow couple" as their unofficial vigilantes name.

Still thinking about the details of how they started their crusade together as vigilantes, but I like that idea I mention in other post about Mizunami saving Izuku from Bakugou when both of them still were in Aldera and Midoriya was around 13. Mizunami still was the leader of the Cider House gang (and maybe two years older than Midoriya) but later he left the group because he felt his members started to be way too problematic and getting in worse situations with civilians and heroes, something he didn't like because while Mizunami commited crimes like robbery he never tried to harm innocent people during his operations.

Besides he started feeling for Izuku after protect him from Bakugou, and since Izu wanted to stay with him after the incident they both start to get along and quickly became good friends, Mizu also helping Izu no being so shy and insecure about himself due the years of bullying.

He start helping Izuku to train his quirk and body during his free time, which served a lot for Midoriya to get in good shape and develop a fight style for the years to come as he still intented to apply to at least a low-middle tier hero school (and this will became important later).

I like to think the incident with the Sludge monster from chapter 1 was what caused a twist on their relationship, as unlike what happens in canon here when both of them are attacked by the Slime that escaped from A.M, Izuku and Mizunami give the monster a big surprise because they were able to fight back.

Slime turned to be quite vulnerable to water and fire combined, which allowed Izu and Mizu to restrain him in a bottle of soda and left him for the heroes finish the job later, as they run totally excited by the experience.

After escape and being safe, Izuku suddenly jump to the arms of Mizunami and they started kissing out of the excitement of the moment. When they calm down both smiled and since that moment they became officially boyfriends, and decide they would have more moments like this in the future so they will start fight criminals together.

Also the incident also give Izuku the final confidence boost he always needed and when Bakugou provoked him after school trying to make fun of Mizunami who was there for walk along Izuku to his home, Midoriya decided he had enough when Katsuki insulted his boyfriend.

So what happened next is that Izuku deep breath and expelled a big green fire ball from his mouth, which resulted in Bakugou getting a lot of first degree burns and loosing his eyebrows (something for what he would be mocked a lot later).

Mizunami used his water quirk to extinguish the fire over Bakugo's clothes who is totally terrified, then Mizu and Izuku laugh at him take a picture with their funs for future reference and run away together.

Hi @nyc3

CinderIzu is great and Cinder as a character was ignored, slept on ...bc villain stans are predictable into hot villains like dabi and shig(yes, shig is hot even in his possum way) and ...damn this fandom waste a good opportunity for a ship.

For a moment, thought you were talking about my idea.

I do like the idea Izumi being considered so beautiful even with her scars (she is prettier bc of her scars bc this woman survived) so in a country where the woman's value depends on her beauty...Izumi carrying her scars and being hot is amazing. Cinder would be into!

Cinder would also be into kill bk!

Her entire story, as she describes what BK did, seems like SA. See? The difference of boy and girl here is how people perceive the violence.

But I'm into this ship.

I do like sgdk a lot.

I do like dabideku too

But CinderIzu??? I'm open and so far like the ideas.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, NINE!! You insane quirk experiment(affectionate).

Call me crazy, but considering how manipulative Dabi showed he can be I wouldn't discard his whole Stain fanboy persona is just a performance.

I mean put that scene of him saying "I'll fulfill Stain will" in context: in that moment the recruits actually believed Stain was actively working with Shigaraki and the LOV was a group that would follow the ideals of Chizome.

That obviously wasn't the case, but Dabi probably make up the story just for fit in the organization and later after seeing not even Spinner (the biggest Stain fanboy) give a crap about the ideals of the hero killer, Dabi just dropped the act completely and acted more like himself.

Which isn't very different from his usual self. Let's be real when he actually put in practice any of Stain actual ideals or there was some sort of callback between both characters?

I think it's actually Fanon Dabi the version that always exaggerate his supposed Stain fanboy persona, generally in an attempt to make him more sympathetic and an antihero of sorts. Coincidentally most of this fanon material cames from the era when we didn't have much context of him and people still believed for some reason that Dabi could have been trying to help his family (for some reason).

Ah btw Dabi in the manga is still comically skinny and not really that different from his debut and many times he looks like he float inside his own clothes, but the anime for some reason makes him look super ripped despite it doesn't make any sense for his character.

I much prefer Dabi's body in the manga btw, not every guy needs to have a super bulky physique to be attactive.

Hi, I did a big mulling (lol) on the whole moral aspect of Dabi and his killings. Especially considering my own au.

Look let's not kid ourselves here. It would be impossible for Besties au or canon for dabi to be "pure" aka never kill anyone. Boy was on the streets after waking up from a coma in a creepy hospital.

"a good Samaritan in the villain side took him in" ok maybe but even this good Samaritan would still be a villain and Dabi wouldn't be save of killing. Even if is self defense.

The discourse I mentioned in my channel on....ironically called Discord was about how dabi killing bad peoples works better than killing innocent people. I get the fallacy of this logic. I get the appeal.

We see characters like Punisher and we root for him bc "he is killing bad people" which makes him good in comparison. I used to like that, who didn't? But consider this idea: One villain killed the anti-hero's wife. One, and the anti hero responds by going on a rampage.

"he is angry she is dead, it's grief" he still kills a lot of people and shows no remorse.

(nothing against Anti heroes characters per se. I do love Jason Todd even if I agree how DC mistreated him, I like Bucky. I can't like Punisher through)

The thing here is if Dabi only killed bad people how we would know if the people he killed were bad to warrant the death penalty?

"dabi only killed rapist and pedos" ok. How he would know if a person committed those crimes? Waiting for the person to shout to the world all the horrible things he did on this fine Tuesday?

(this all is making me think of a case of lynching in my country, a person was accused of committed a crime, a group of the small city wanted justice and ....went to make on their own hands....turns out the person was Innocent. They killed an innocent person)

Besides killing is killing. Even if Dabi has concrete proof the people he killed are EVIL. He still took a life, he is still unaffected about it (not saying if dabi kills a rapist he should weep, but you can't exactly be so blase about it)

(I even think if Dabi goes around killing only bad people, in this case, villains....wouldn't that make others villains wry of LoV for keeping dabi? If we have a hero killer. What if we have a villain killer?)

My point on this long ass thread is how in besties au dabi has killed, ofc he did, even if is for survival...and that sticks with him. He doesn't like killing. It weights on him.

"and Endy?" Yes. He wants to kill Dabi. He wants to destroy Endy and in besties he is doing a good job. He is proactive (unlike Mr. Possum)

But the killing weights on him.

Smth I don't think it does on the heroes who kill in canon. They are sure the villains they kill are evil (I mean, I get why) and no need to think twice, right hawks?

But it's odd seeing villain stans defending dabi killing any villain without remorse and try to justify "they are evil"

Well.....

If that was the case...all the LoV deserved their fates as they are terrorists who killed lots of people, wage a war and more.

Hi @mikeellee 👋

Agreed! There is no way within Canon that dabi has never killed anyone at all. Actually, we only see dabi physically kill people after he joins the league of villains, whether that be with failed lov recruits or heroes dabi has killed.

However, in chapter 290, dabi states that he has cannonically killed over 30 innocent people. Now, I have talked about this in the @sapphic-agent post, but the framing of that panel seems to be there to humanise enji while dehumanising dabi.

How does dabi know these people are innocent?

Why did he mention the fact that they were innocent? Why didn't he just say he killed thirty people?

All of this makes me think that dabi thinks that he accidentally killed the people in the hospital.

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What if dabi thinks he killed all of the individuals in the hospital?

I agree dabi's kill count feels incredibly forced almost as if its just there to demonise dabi and make the audience more sympathetic toward

Ultimately, dabi would have realistically had to kill in self-defense. Imagine a young teenage boy obviously covered in major scaring, roaming the streets for scraps or anything to survive. That would be an easy target for people to use, rob, or do whatever they think of doing to him. Dabi would have had to quickly learn self-defense and how to survive on the street, and it shows that he did learn by his appearance.

The first time we see dabi in chapter 68, we see just how scrawny and skinny he is. He ends up gaining weight and muscle after joining the league, yet his first appearance definitely depicts him as malnourished and the increased burn scars definitely mean that he has been using his quirks ever since he was on the street for various reasons.

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A lot of Endeavor's dramatics (for lack of a word) seems to come from his privilege. He says he's willing to dance in hell, but his version

Dabi killing bad people or who he views as a bad person makes sense and is actually very in character for him. A dominant characteristic of dabi that fanon seems to undermine is that he is a huge Stain fanboy/follower. His first introduction, he announces that he plans to make the hero killers will a reality.

However, we do fall into the problem of dabi pushing his own moral views (which let's be real dabi has some very concerning views) that would be a problem. Or how does he know that this specific individual he is killing is a bad person? There's so much this is the same character who was shown to have some very misogynistic and victim blaming views, so that would be a rocky hill for him to go down on.

All of this could definitely be a great idea to explore and could easily dive deep into dabi's mentality and how that might change over the course of the series.

It is absolutely a great idea to make dabi killing weigh on him whether they're innocent or evil. Those are still people. They are still lives, they breathe, weep, form complex thoughts, bleed red etc they are people, they could be dabi and his body or the body of his loved ones could be next.

While Canon doesn't truly focus on it, it does highlight the fact that dabi does feel regret to a certain extent. Dabi is upset, and he knows, realises, and accepts that he is a bad person. It is exactly why he believes that he belongs in gell with his father. It is why all of his conversations with enji mention BOTH of them suffering and being in hell together for their sins.

There is an anime only scene with a hero cornering dabi asking him if he regrets killing and dabi doesn't respond directly, but we are shown a scene of a bloody tear falling from his face.

There is also a manga page where dabi remembers snatch and directly says that killing him drove him crazy thinking about it with a tear coming from his eye.

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A detail people tend to overlook (cause the anime fucked up the timeline) is that Geten and Cider were introduced in the same chapter in the manga.

And Re-Destro speech juxtaposed with Cider presentation.

So we have this two boys of a similar age, both have water/ice based quirks, both have white/blue-ish hair, both have the same blue eyes, and we didn't know their real identity at first (and in Geten's case is debatable if that's his real name).

What a big coincide huh?

My theory of C.H leader being a lost Himura gets more and more crazy everytime I think about it.

I love the idea of Geten and Cider, who I call Mizunami Himura, being lost siblings. And by extensions the lost cousings of the Todorokis.

My reason for calling Overhaul the best Villain in the main series is because he's way more competent, driven and has a real threatening presence to him, compared to the other Villain Leaders.

AFO (Post Kamino) & Shigaraki aren't in his League.

They don't give off that feeling of dread. Shigaraki got AFO quirk to try and make him seem more imposing, but it wasn't enough since having a strong power isn't the only thing Overhaul had going for him.

AFO was decent until after his interrogation with All Might, where he became too comically evil for the sake of it (imo)

Re-Destro wasn't there for long but he did a ok job. The MLA did sell me as a competent group, considering the amount of money and connections they had. As well as their goal of free quirk use.

The only thing that was off was there belief of quirk supremacy, since the organisation's strength came from wealth and connections.

But other than that they were ok, it's too bad they were shoved to the side during the War.

Sorry for rambling

But yeah, that's my reason for Overhaul being the best Villain in MHA

Your reasoning for think that is almost the same as mine.

But also Overhaul ideals and objectives felt different and way more grounded in the sense it doesn't feel like he blames society for everything and his only answer is mindless destruction.

He actually persue change but in way that almost makes sense, and his mindset offers a very interesting perspective about quirks that this series always avoid to exploit. Like is funny how Horikoshi puts constant references to the doomsday theory being something very real, yet no one in verse tries to do something about it and any character who doesn't like quiks is treated as a crazy monster to invalidate their opinions.

Chisaki is also different to other villains in the sense that despite his life is pretty tragic he never gets victimized by the author, something I can appreciate because honestly the most annoying part about the LOV for example is how the story constantly pats them in the back and tries to pretend their are just victims when they passed that point long ago.

Kai on the other hand gets a treatment so harsh that makes me wonder if Horikoshi actually hates him with passion, because holy hell since his defeat Horikoshi really doesn't hold back on try to put him as miserable as possible and with no chance of improve his situation even a bit. It felt like a massive double standard when you see how much the LOV gets glazed.

Well... this kinda became a rant on my part, but I need to express it as Overhaul really deserved a way better treatment because in terms of villains he was the peak and MHA never had something similar again.