Call me crazy, but considering how manipulative Dabi showed he can be I wouldn't discard his whole Stain fanboy persona is just a performance.
I mean put that scene of him saying "I'll fulfill Stain will" in context: in that moment the recruits actually believed Stain was actively working with Shigaraki and the LOV was a group that would follow the ideals of Chizome.
That obviously wasn't the case, but Dabi probably make up the story just for fit in the organization and later after seeing not even Spinner (the biggest Stain fanboy) give a crap about the ideals of the hero killer, Dabi just dropped the act completely and acted more like himself.
Which isn't very different from his usual self. Let's be real when he actually put in practice any of Stain actual ideals or there was some sort of callback between both characters?
I think it's actually Fanon Dabi the version that always exaggerate his supposed Stain fanboy persona, generally in an attempt to make him more sympathetic and an antihero of sorts. Coincidentally most of this fanon material cames from the era when we didn't have much context of him and people still believed for some reason that Dabi could have been trying to help his family (for some reason).
Ah btw Dabi in the manga is still comically skinny and not really that different from his debut and many times he looks like he float inside his own clothes, but the anime for some reason makes him look super ripped despite it doesn't make any sense for his character.
I much prefer Dabi's body in the manga btw, not every guy needs to have a super bulky physique to be attactive.
Hi, I did a big mulling (lol) on the whole moral aspect of Dabi and his killings. Especially considering my own au.
Look let's not kid ourselves here. It would be impossible for Besties au or canon for dabi to be "pure" aka never kill anyone. Boy was on the streets after waking up from a coma in a creepy hospital.
"a good Samaritan in the villain side took him in" ok maybe but even this good Samaritan would still be a villain and Dabi wouldn't be save of killing. Even if is self defense.
The discourse I mentioned in my channel on....ironically called Discord was about how dabi killing bad peoples works better than killing innocent people. I get the fallacy of this logic. I get the appeal.
We see characters like Punisher and we root for him bc "he is killing bad people" which makes him good in comparison. I used to like that, who didn't? But consider this idea: One villain killed the anti-hero's wife. One, and the anti hero responds by going on a rampage.
"he is angry she is dead, it's grief" he still kills a lot of people and shows no remorse.
(nothing against Anti heroes characters per se. I do love Jason Todd even if I agree how DC mistreated him, I like Bucky. I can't like Punisher through)
The thing here is if Dabi only killed bad people how we would know if the people he killed were bad to warrant the death penalty?
"dabi only killed rapist and pedos" ok. How he would know if a person committed those crimes? Waiting for the person to shout to the world all the horrible things he did on this fine Tuesday?
(this all is making me think of a case of lynching in my country, a person was accused of committed a crime, a group of the small city wanted justice and ....went to make on their own hands....turns out the person was Innocent. They killed an innocent person)
Besides killing is killing. Even if Dabi has concrete proof the people he killed are EVIL. He still took a life, he is still unaffected about it (not saying if dabi kills a rapist he should weep, but you can't exactly be so blase about it)
(I even think if Dabi goes around killing only bad people, in this case, villains....wouldn't that make others villains wry of LoV for keeping dabi? If we have a hero killer. What if we have a villain killer?)
My point on this long ass thread is how in besties au dabi has killed, ofc he did, even if is for survival...and that sticks with him. He doesn't like killing. It weights on him.
"and Endy?" Yes. He wants to kill Dabi. He wants to destroy Endy and in besties he is doing a good job. He is proactive (unlike Mr. Possum)
But the killing weights on him.
Smth I don't think it does on the heroes who kill in canon. They are sure the villains they kill are evil (I mean, I get why) and no need to think twice, right hawks?
But it's odd seeing villain stans defending dabi killing any villain without remorse and try to justify "they are evil"
Well.....
If that was the case...all the LoV deserved their fates as they are terrorists who killed lots of people, wage a war and more.
Hi @mikeellee 👋
Agreed! There is no way within Canon that dabi has never killed anyone at all. Actually, we only see dabi physically kill people after he joins the league of villains, whether that be with failed lov recruits or heroes dabi has killed.
However, in chapter 290, dabi states that he has cannonically killed over 30 innocent people. Now, I have talked about this in the @sapphic-agent post, but the framing of that panel seems to be there to humanise enji while dehumanising dabi.
How does dabi know these people are innocent?
Why did he mention the fact that they were innocent? Why didn't he just say he killed thirty people?
All of this makes me think that dabi thinks that he accidentally killed the people in the hospital.
Ultimately, dabi would have realistically had to kill in self-defense. Imagine a young teenage boy obviously covered in major scaring, roaming the streets for scraps or anything to survive. That would be an easy target for people to use, rob, or do whatever they think of doing to him. Dabi would have had to quickly learn self-defense and how to survive on the street, and it shows that he did learn by his appearance.
The first time we see dabi in chapter 68, we see just how scrawny and skinny he is. He ends up gaining weight and muscle after joining the league, yet his first appearance definitely depicts him as malnourished and the increased burn scars definitely mean that he has been using his quirks ever since he was on the street for various reasons.
Dabi killing bad people or who he views as a bad person makes sense and is actually very in character for him. A dominant characteristic of dabi that fanon seems to undermine is that he is a huge Stain fanboy/follower. His first introduction, he announces that he plans to make the hero killers will a reality.
However, we do fall into the problem of dabi pushing his own moral views (which let's be real dabi has some very concerning views) that would be a problem. Or how does he know that this specific individual he is killing is a bad person? There's so much this is the same character who was shown to have some very misogynistic and victim blaming views, so that would be a rocky hill for him to go down on.
All of this could definitely be a great idea to explore and could easily dive deep into dabi's mentality and how that might change over the course of the series.
It is absolutely a great idea to make dabi killing weigh on him whether they're innocent or evil. Those are still people. They are still lives, they breathe, weep, form complex thoughts, bleed red etc they are people, they could be dabi and his body or the body of his loved ones could be next.
While Canon doesn't truly focus on it, it does highlight the fact that dabi does feel regret to a certain extent. Dabi is upset, and he knows, realises, and accepts that he is a bad person. It is exactly why he believes that he belongs in gell with his father. It is why all of his conversations with enji mention BOTH of them suffering and being in hell together for their sins.
There is an anime only scene with a hero cornering dabi asking him if he regrets killing and dabi doesn't respond directly, but we are shown a scene of a bloody tear falling from his face.
There is also a manga page where dabi remembers snatch and directly says that killing him drove him crazy thinking about it with a tear coming from his eye.
Zura Hansuke 🌊
How he can carry so much aura?
Ufotable you created such a badass character for an original anime episode... better give him more screentime in the future.
Horikoshi didn't need to make him a prettt boy.
But he did.
And I thankful for the gift.
You can't imagine how much I love the Cider House leader guy...
A minor villain has no right to look so cool, badass and handsome like he does.
Also he probably got the best water quirk of the series.
Also he got so much sassy energy on top of having such insane drip.
Being one of his like 3 fans isn't easy, but still love him.
His hair blowing by the wind...
Nine is too gorgeous.
This post was made before the full leaks, or well before the main leaker mentioned anything about Edgeshot anyway. I think he did but like half day later.
Considering Edgeshot go back to service even being a little thread with hands I personaly doubt even this experience is enough to stop him. He's not afraid of anything lol.
On that note It's reallt satisfying know that he and Bakugou became so close after their experience together.
I do wonder what's he doing overseas, as he must have spend a very good time in traveling if he dissapeared from the hero charts.
Good luck with your story.
The fact Shindo made top 20 in the hero charts 8 years later and not a lot of the Class A guys including Uraraka make me proud of my boy.
Shindo really deserved it, so good for him.
But the new top 20 makes me wonder if Edgeshot quit being a hero as he's nowhere to be seen.
Seems to extreme that he being 4th descended so far. I wonder if his health was really so compromised that he wasn't able to fully recover.
I will miss you my dear ninja hero.
what if nine wore glasses???
and yes besides my beloved jervis, there is my beloved nine UuU i have so many beloveds...it will take too long to name them all
He is so pretty and his story is kinda sad...poor nine my baby everyone should respect nine...NOW!
i think the glasses kinda suits him
Nine and Rody were the only movie characters in MHA that I really liked. Those two are very popular. However because they are movie characters they were never supposed to have any scenes or moments in the actual show. So there wasn't any impact that they made to the show as a whole or to the major characters despite having the potential to do so.
I mean that's something Horikoshi decides to do or not. Nothing really dictates that Nine, Rody or anyone else from the movies can't be part of the main story.
And Star and Stripes isn't technically a movie original character that Horikoshi retconned to be an important character featured in her own arc in the manga as well?
Or heck even Melissa Shield did have a little participation in the final war arc. Her presence is more subtle than SnS but she's implied to made the new gauntlets Deku use during the vigilante arc and later help to build "Iron Might" armor.
So yeah there's no written rule about movie characters not being allowed to be part of the main story, it is all Horikoshi election.
If he wanted he could do something with the others but he didn't, or he couldn't find a way to properly introduce them outside of cameos.
And what a waste honestly, there's so much potential in the original characters from the movies.
I find funny how the anime constantly makes Shigaraki look like Lou Ferrigno in terms of muscles, in some cases his head looks like it doesn't belong to his own body:
But then you have Horikoshi drawing him like this...
Like sure, the muscles are still there but he's not this giant hulk with biceps the size of his head.
Even the manga in the first war arc doesn't have him looked like the anime does:
And I remember even the wiki copes with the idea that the surgery was supposed to give him extra muscles, but that was never stated officially and in any case his natural muscles came from the training in MVA.
Idk what's this obssesion the anime has for making all male characters buff as hell, even Dabi when canonically he's also a pipsqueak.
Well... I guess he can look pretty when he's not looking ugly.
Credits where credits due (His hair looks abnormally silky here).
Tenko tried to copy that beautiful shot of Nine's hair dramatically blowing at the wind.
But it didn't work.
Sorry Tenko but your hair looks like the mop that nobody replaced in more five year.
You could never compare to Nine's ethereal beauty 🤍🌩
The Himuras have insane potential for fucked up plot lines about the worst kind of family tropes. You really have to be special if in a family reunion Enji Todoroki seem like the least bad family member Imao.
SeltzerBunny will live! It was a random idea but sounds good and catchy the more I think about it.
Sweden? Lol I was thinking about that country as well because I've played a lot of Cry of Fear, a great game that happens in that country made by people from there.
Love that idea of Midoriya doing the detective games an discovering about Cider that way, as a way to later connect with him.
Also she would put on a wig for the disguise? That would be hilarious.
...
Nine is more of an underdog raising into the power than what the canon story pretends Shigaraki is.
Think about it: crusty boy got everything on a silver plate, free goons, nomus, body enhancements, the og AFO quirk, fake muscles because he was skinny af and the list goes on. Even his team came to him by other people.
Nine only got an empty inferior copy of AFO yet he made it powerful by his own merits, and nobody got his people to come at him, he recued them earning their respect. Also he alreadg got that perfect body without bs surgeries and enhancements.
...
The sand thing will never stop being funny. And while I get it's pretty annoying being covered by it or the thing getting in your hair, I bet Cider loves how the sand feels on his feet and toes.
Idk why but I think he also loves being barefoot in general. Of course during combat and such he puts on his tactical boots, but outside of that he takes them off as soon as possible and doesn't like use slippers or anything like that in house.
I feel I'm always talking about this ship and Cinder and I thank you for that. I do have a question: does the media follow the cinder's gang?
I ask this bc I do want to give Izumi notoriety. Ofc she will WORK to gain it( I love her, but it would be disingenuous to the story making Izumi win by mere existing) but like the media does talk about the fearsome Usage (it's her moniker. A rare win for this fandom is the bunny jokes for Izu) and the same could be add to Cinder. He is a big name in the thievery world.
Or
Cinder works in the shadow and no one knows who he is?
Just wondering here bc I can work either way. Izumi gaining respect in the underworld and even getting the attention of big fishes like Nine.
It is still funny imagine Cinder being oblivious to how popular he is in the social medias. Villain fuckers are real and...he has never met them thanks to his good luck.
Izumi is watching the edits for...science.
You're welcome! Is always nice have more persons in this small fandom for the CiderIzu ship.
Can we call it SeltzerBunny too? Every ship good needs a corny name as well.
I assume the Cider House gang has sort of a reputation, considering their methods to operate and how they can wait for months before a big hit and not get captured in the process.
In my own AU nobody knows Cider is a member of the Himura family btw, but that's also probably because the clan erased a lot of his public registers and invented some story of "our son is overseas" or something like that.
Of course they're a famous gang in the otherworld however.
Ironically Nine is the underdog here, even his origin chapter put emphasis on how he "survived under the radar" considering how crazy his quirk is. I have my own ideas to flesh out this plot point, more info later.
I love the idea of Mizunami being totally clueless about his reputation in certain social media. He would probably think that's a bit cringe, but if it's Izu... he obviously doesn't mind.
He probably can get away because the mask covers a good part of his face, and that's a popular topic among his followers who fantasy about how he looks unmasked.
Only Izu (any version) got the privilege of see that handsome face in person.