I Realized It's Been A While Since I Drew Him In This Fit 😌💖

Blah blah blah I wanna help my cousin this, I wanna help Monaca that. If your words are genuine why not joined despair Miaya? It could be fun, plus I don't think you'll win her over by apealing to her "morals" is gonna help you.

Yeah, right? You're basically already there at this point.

Back up a minute. You said something about "my" method of brainwashing?

Yeah with your thingie. The...New Universe Simulation or whatever?

That's not true at all...! The Neo World Program doesn't brainwash people, it undoes brainwashing!

Hmmm, are you sure? Brainwashing in its simplest terms, is making someone change their personality to your liking. And isn't that what you did to the Remnants? You didn't like them being Despair so you changed them?

What?! You have no idea what you're talking about! It was designed as a psychotherapeutic simulator to undo trauma and triggering memories for the users! That's exactly why we used it on the Remnants of Despair!

.....Okay Auntie, let's play a little game here.

Let's say for instance, the Remnants of Despair weren't brainwashed. And that Big Sis Junko just merely...talked them into becoming the big bad terrorists you know them as today. Would you still use the program for them anyway?

Well....yes, but-

But why? They're not under some mind control or order from others. They would be fully cognizant of their actions. Morals and all. There'd be no way to know for certain what those guys would be thinking.

To that end, let's go further. Who would you use this on? Serial killers? Predators? Embezzlers? Gang members? Other terrorists? Where does it end?

You'd be replacing other people's already preconception of ideals and making them have new ones to better fit your image! See? Brainwashing! Plain and simple~

They have a term for this sort of thing. I think it's called...Death of Personality.

And I get a feeling, you'd want to use this on me too, huh? Riiiiiight?

Wh-What?!

Mhmm, mhmm!~ That's why you're so adamant about getting me on your side. So you can shove me in a pod and make little old Monaca a "proper" little girl. My my, even you want to use Monaca too for your own purposes, Auntie!~

Listen to yourself, that is absurd! I...would never....do something like that to you-

So say it.

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Go ahead. Say you never had the thought. Say you'd tell me everything about my past life, and all about Big Sis Junko in that case. Go on. Lie to my face.

I.....I wouldn't.....

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I.....I'd....n-never....

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Uuuuuh-huh! Just what I thought. Adults are all the same! Only interested in what they want and what better suits them!

Monaca: Ahahahahahaha!

you know what i really would’ve liked to see in dr3?

the remnants facing life-altering consequences for their actions. even though they were brainwashed, they still committed atrocities yet faced no real backlash that affects their life.

sonia being stripped of her rank as princess while her country bans her from her former kingdom. she tries to reason with them initially because she’s so stunned and resorts to her commanding princess self, but no one acknowledges her. they threaten her and almost arrest her, but she escapes. she no longer has a home or a family.

gundam being mistrusted by animals. he tries communing with them, but they refuse them. they lash out, biting him and rejecting him. they remember how he used them for evil.

saionji and ibuki being blacklisted in dancing/musical performances. former fans who felt the agony of their “concerts” recognize them and charge at them, trying to turn them in for their crimes. they no longer can dance or sing without retribution.

koizumi’s pictures being seen as despairing propaganda. her former work means nothing. all that matters to the world are her evil photos. no one will accept her work even when she tries to photograph “hopeful” things.

hanamura’s family has been blacklisted in the food/catering industry. if his siblings are alive, they want nothing to do with hanamura. it’s implied he may have killed his dear mother, so his brother and sister despise hanamura even though they left the family. like sonia, hanamura no longer has a family.

kuzuryuu and pekoyama have no clan left. the kuzuryuus could be dead or they decided to give the leadership to someone else if they came to their senses. they deny help to kuzuryuu and pekoyama, blaming them for their family’s decline. they only have each other.

that’s what i REALLY wanted to see. of course, hope arc is about “hope” and is seem as a “perfect happy ending,” which, considering the “gray” endings for sdr2 and drae, seems pathetic in comparison. these are people who, despite being brainwashed, committed terrible crimes. they shouldn’t be left off the hook so easily even if they endured their own private killing game. they say they will shoulder the burden of despair, but they go off hand-in-hand without consequences for their crimes. they pretend to be remnants, but they don’t face any backlash for what they did to thousands of millions of people.

Ok but… it would be extra cute if deku had a mankey

he’s got a primeape <3

Started out as just "what if Mikan remembering the game means Mikan remembers what she remembered in the game aka she's still Like That when she wakes up?" and then developed into "what if Mikan is offended that everyone denounced Junko....and doesn't think they deserve to have any remnants of her...." thassit just a little idea blurb

I don't want anyone to think I hate Mikan tho she's fun

I’ve wanted to make something like this for a while

I saw this and immediately thought of that one meme

fem rei <3

The "You're all secretly war criminals" thing is a pretty epic twist the first time playing. But like...it's an absolute mess when you really think about the sheer number of logistical issues Junko should have faced if we go with the fandom idea that "brainwashing was just a retcon" and that she successfully manipulated each of them with pure charisma. To begin with, people severely underestimate how much work it would actually take to turn a relatively normal (if a little eccentric in the case of Class 77) person into a monster on the level of the Remnants of Despair. Like this is WAY beyond anything Junko was doing in DR1's Killing Game. Manipulating someone to commit a murder is one thing. I'm not denying that it's entirely possible for Junko to have done that to them. Manipulating them into having a complete breakdown and killing their families? Trickier, but not entirely outside the realm of possibility. Manipulating them to keep on killing over and over again, become addicted to the sensation, carry out all sorts of other depraved acts, and wage a forever war on humanity, with the determination of a literal machine? That's gonna take a LOT of work. Like years of work. To put things into perspective, the Nazi gas chambers were implemented as a more efficient extermination method, because it was discovered that quite a few guards found it difficult to pull the trigger on Jewish prisoners themselves. That was with an entire decade's worth of anti-Semitic propaganda building up to the Holocaust. Junko meanwhile did not have a decade. She had a year. Less than a year actually. On top of getting things ready for the Class 78 Killing Game, manipulating Kamukura, Matsuda, and the Warriors of Hope, and keeping up appearances as a regular class member, we're expected to believe that she was able to corrupt all of Class 77-B to that degree as a FUCKING SIDE PROJECT within about 9-10 months? Not just doing it to one person, but to 14 people altogether. And all the while this was done without Kyoko or Makoto or Matsuda or Jin Kirigiri noticing ANY unusual shifts in those students' behavior. Which would require the Remnant versions of people like Teruteru, Ibuki, Akane, etc. to have insane acting skills up until the Reserve Course destroyed most of the school. I get that the Despair Video thing felt kind of lazy. I personally would have gone with a brainwashing methods that was less OP and slower acting. But like...literal mind control really is the most straightforward explanation. The "charismatic Junko" interpretation is completely inconsistent with the level of competence she displayed in DR1. Someone brilliant enough to create the Remnants of Despair with a silver tongue alone would not have their Killing Game derailed by something like Sakura's sacrifice. And it requires some ridiculous characterization for Class 77-B. We have real life examples of attempted spree shooters who gave up and turned themselves in after killing family members, because they realized they didn't actually have the guts to become a mass-murderer. There would have to be at least one such "failed Remnant" who crashed and burned like that among those 14 if they behaved like actual human beings and not goddamn robots. People try to chalk this up to the SDR2 cast coming from broken homes and shit. But I mean come on. So did a good chunk of the DR1 cast, and they spent an entire year in isolation with Junko. They would have gone insane just by being in proximity to her for so long if she was that charismatic.

goddd you get it. you literally understand it all. it was cool when it was first revealed but it's just so. Weird. when you think about it. like this is just some teenager. some random teenager created a cult and basically ended the world in the span of less than a year .i get what they were going for but it feels like a lot of the time the characters bend to fit whatever's going on in the plot... it aint consistent 💀

Isn't the world of Danganronpa basically what happens when The Gifted Kids are put up on a pedestal of pressure and praise whereas those who aren't hyper-productive or don't have an exact goal in life get put down constantly and are set aside as "average" or "slackers"?

Just saying cus the way they treat people who don't exhibit any special type of "talent" is almost oppressive. Makoto and Komaru were in frigging high school and apparently they've been disregarded by society just because they haven't done anything super duper talented.

I feel like maybe their world was headed towards dystopia even before Junko did anything.

What's your thoughts on Makoto rebuilding hope's peak? Do you think it's a good idea, or is it the perfect set up for another tragedy? The tragedy was put into motion since Junko knew that they had all the Ultimates there. She just had to do some.... hardcore manipulation and such.

Oh I have THOUGHTS about this alright, I’ve even talked about it before. I think it’s a very stupid decision to rebuild hopes peak but ENTIRELY in character. Junko is such a fascinating character to me because just as much as she’s an important figure in starting the tragedy, she’s also it’s scapegoat. Without the literal human experimentation on children hopes peak was doing she would have been so much less successful, potentially unable to even do the tragedy. The parade doesn’t exist without the abuse of the reserve course, the ultimate tragic event truly started with the reserve course RIOTING over the fact their money was used to fuel human experimentation on THEMSELVES. You don’t need Junko for that, Junko pushed the riot to an extreme yea, but she wouldn’t have a riot without Izuru. Junko threw a match on a pile of rags soaked in oil, but she didn’t make the pile, and if she didn’t start that blaze, someone else would have.

However if everyone points at Junko they don’t need to think about how she only succeeded because hopes peak enabled her, how hopes peak set up a society of cruel hard castes, and suffering that let someone like Junko thrive. It’s easy to blame a single human person for everything when in reality, the fall of the talent system was inevitable. Which makes it easy to repeat history if you are someone directly traumatized by Junko. Makoto is also a Hopes Peak Fanboy, he idolizes the academy because society tells him that the academy and talent system is good and just and perfect, it tells him that the institute is hope and all its war crimes is just a Few Bad Eggs. He’s simply recreating the caste system that he was raised to admire, buying into the propaganda that his childhood and future foundation pushes. Plus he’s inherently privileged by being an ultimate, he knows basically nothing about the plight of those actually crushed under hope peak’s boot. Which from the reserve course and comments from Toko in UDG about Komaru’s lack of talent, and attitudes like Komaeda’s, the plight of the untalented is a very real one.

It’s easy for him to be optimistic and think “well if one Bad person ruined the system that was always inherently Good then a Good person can put it back” but he’s wrong, you can’t fix hopes peak, you can’t fix the talent system, the desperation for talent broke the warriors of hope, it broke the reserves, and it broke the world. I think he means so so well I think he genuinely believes this will work, but in reality its doomed, eventually it’ll fall again. It’s the perfect example of how Makoto Naegi believes so hard he can change the world, but unlike with the remnants, this change will not be a good one. Plus he’s like what, 21? And trying to run a school? Good fucking luck sir you’ll need it.

Tldr; it’s really in character for him to do it because of the fact he was raised around it, thinks it’s to be a force of hope like he was taught his entire life, and is himself the privileged cast a talent system supports. I doubt someone like Hajime, someone burned by the system, would support it so easily. It’s a bad idea that’s only going to hurt people because Makoto accepts Junko as a scapegoat and fails to truly grasp the atrocities hopes peak did before Junko, thus dooming them to be repeated in the future, maybe not by him, but in the future, when another headmaster goes “hey what if we made a new ultimate hope” or “what if we push a young child’s talent to the limit” and starts this whole damn thing over again. It’s so very Makoto Naegi, and it will be his biggest mistake.