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THIS LINE HAS BEEN HAUNTING ME. “Come with me.” “Obi-Wan once thought as you do.” OKAY, BUCKLE UP, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO GET INTO SOME FUCKING NERDY SHIT.  Also reading homework.  My favorite things!  \o/  Things that are contributing to the context around this discussion: ➨ “My take on the whole duel was that Obi-Wan is the central character in that duel. He wouldn’t try and kill Anakin. The way I saw that fight was like having a fight with your girlfriend. That she’s just lost it and that she’s coming at you with everything she’s got. […] So you try to defend her as long as you can until she breaks down. Then you can give her a cuddle.“    — Nick Gillard, fights choreographer for the prequels (x) ➨ “Anakin.”    — Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith (x) ➨ “I cannot use his real name.  It would undo me, even after all this time.”     — Obi-Wan Kenobi, Time of Death by Cavan Scott (x) ➨ “Who was he, Lord Vader?”  "An old man who thought he could help gifted children.  He was mistaken.“     — Darth Vader, Star Wars comics (2015) (x) ➨ “When I find him… and I will find him… he will be my weapon, not yours.  The dark side always wins, Obi-Wan.  You should know that by now.”    — Darth Vader, Star Wars comics (2015) + Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith (x) ➨ “You were my brother Anakin, I loved y– [FWSSH]”    — Obi-Wan Kenobi in Vader’s daydream, Darth Vader vol 1 (x) ➨ “If you loved me, Obi-Wan, you would have killed me.”   You wanted this, Anakin?  Would this have been better?“    — Anakin Skywalker & Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Vader vol 1 (x) ➨ "The mission isn’t for Luke to go out and kill his father and get rid of him.  The issue is, if he confronts his father again, he may, in defending himself, have to kill him, because his father will try to kill him.  This is the state of affairs that Yoda should refer to.  And then Luke says, ‘I don’t think he’ll kill me because he could have killed me last time and he didn’t; I think there is good in him and I can’t kill him.’”    — George Lucas while plotting out Return of the Jedi (x) ➨ “Vader mentions Obi-Wan as a focal point in EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION he has with Luke in the films.”     — meta post about the OT (x) That’s a lot of reading and from a lot of different authors with a lot of different takes on things, but I mention all of them because they each give context to the question of:  “Just how much does Anakin understand of Obi-Wan’s love for him?” and “How much did Obi-Wan believe in the possibility that Anakin could turn back?”  There’s more that I’m sure I’m missing (I haven’t read all of the ROTS behind the scenes stuff yet, as well as there’s probably quotes I could use from Dark Disciple or the Mace Windu: Jedi of the Republic comic that illustrate the Jedi absolutely believed that people could come back from the dark side, and I haven’t fully reread Time of Death in awhile) but this is what we have to work with for context to the burning question that “Obi-Wan once thought as you do.” It’s also important to keep in mind (aside from that different authors are going to write different things) that people think in cycles and Anakin especially is not a reliable narrator, so when he says something like, “If you loved me, Obi-Wan, you would have killed me.” this may be an indication that Anakin didn’t think Obi-Wan really loved him, but’s also just as likely that it’s a Tuesday and he’s in a bitchy mood and five minutes later he’ll say something like, “Obi-Wan tried to get me to leave with him.” I think it’s safe to assume that, even if he maybe doesn’t recognize it at the time, all the meditation time in the bacta tank on Mustafar looking out over their breakup spot/where he thinks Padme died, Vader at least recognizes that Obi-Wan was trying to give him every chance to come back to the light.  He may even have recognized that Obi-Wan sure waited a hell of a long time before interrupting his conversation with Padme, that only once it turned bad did Obi-Wan reveal himself, because Obi-Wan was clearly hoping Padme could convince Anakin to come away with her.  It may not be a coincidence that she uses similar words to what Luke says, given that conversation also is where Luke says, “I know there is good in you.” which runs parallel to Padme’s, “There’s good in him. I know. I know there’s… still….” It’s unlikely that that’s the sum total of it, though because of Vader’s vision in Dark Lord of the Sith, when he’s trying to bleed the kyber crystal.  He has a vision where it shows him that, yes, he could still go find Obi-Wan and ask for forgiveness, that Obi-Wan would shut off his lightsaber even when he could have killed Vader, still calls him by “Anakin”.  It’s possible–given that Vader rejects this vision, saying, “No.  This is all there is.” before he keeps on the same destructive path he’s been on–that he doesn’t believe it’s possible, but he’s blue-eyed in those panels, the whole point is that his thinking isn’t clouded by the Sith poison in his heart and eyes.  At least some part of him has to know that Obi-Wan still loved him and still thought as Luke thinks. The more complicated question is:  Does Obi-Wan believe that Vader could come back?  In all of the above material, nothing that I can remember outright says that Obi-Wan believes Anakin can’t come back, but instead that he won’t. The conversation with Luke is: “There is still good in him.” “He’s more machine now than man.  Twisted and evil.” “I can’t do it, Ben.” “You cannot escape your destiny. You must face Darth Vader again.” “I can’t kill my own father.” “Then the Emperor has already won.” It’s easy to assume that Obi-Wan is trying to say that Luke has to kill Vader, but he’s actually not–he’s saying Luke has to be ready for the possibility.  That denying it might happen, that it might come to that, means the Emperor will have already won.  George Lucas explicitly says it:  “The mission isn’t for Luke to go out and kill his father and get rid of him.  The issue is, if he confronts his father again, he may, in defending himself, have to kill him, because his father will try to kill him.“ Obi-Wan, when he’s facing Vader on the Death Star, isn’t in denial about how this is Anakin Skywalker before him, he has tons of memories of Anakin while looking at him, he directly says that he can’t say his real name because it would undo him.  He knows that Anakin is Vader and Vader is Anakin.  He just can’t look directly at it, because it’s like looking directly into the sun–it would burn everything out of him.  Again, this doesn’t contradict the idea that Obi-Wan believes he could come back to the light, just that he won’t. Which makes sense.  He’s seen Anakin Force-choke Padme for refusing to go along with his plans.  He’s seen Anakin cut off Luke’s hand and try to drag him into the Sith.  He has no reason to think that Anakin would ever choose to turn back, if he couldn’t do it, if Padme couldn’t do it, then he would have every reason to believe that it’s possible, it just won’t happen.  (The key difference being that Anakin is finally ready to let go of everything, but also–as Dave Filoni explained–it’s because Luke didn’t know him as Anakin that he could reach him.  This is why Ahsoka couldn’t reach him, for example, because she knew him as Anakin, he couldn’t tolerate that.  But Luke doesn’t know who he used to be, he only knows Vader.  Vader can tolerate this.  I don’t think this is something Obi-Wan could have predicted.) Ultimately, the point I’m building my case up for is:  Vader recognizes that, at some point, Obi-Wan believed he could still turn back.  Whether he thought Obi-Wan believed it up until his dying day (and now no longer can believe it, because he’s dead, since Vader probably doesn’t know about Obi-Wan’s spirit) or stopped believing it at some point, that’s a fascinating tangle of possibilities!  But we have a lot of evidence that the dynamic between them was complicated, but so much of what makes it painful is that they really did love each other and, even once everything has thoroughly gone to shit, Anakin recognizes that Obi-Wan still believed in him, still thought as Luke does now.  Recognized that Obi-Wan would have put down his saber if Anakin came to him as Anakin, rather than Vader.  Recognized that Obi-Wan wanted to help gifted children. Recognized that Obi-Wan loved him and wanted him to come back.

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