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then u remember the lil teeny fact that arthur was coronated before he got to school for good and evil. I mean sure, he's prolly 16 at the time but- what stopped tedros? lololol

This is the most specific of nitpicks but like.... Tedros WAS king the entire time. Like all 6 books, not even just 4/5/6. the reason they say "the king is dead, long live the king" is bc the second the old king dies the heir immediately ascends to the throne. Camelot can't NOT have a King for 7 years, Tedros was absolutely King, he just wasn't coronated. honestly the more you think abt the entire Camelot thing the more it makes no sense. He should have had a lord protector or a council or smth to rule in his stead but he can't be a prince; they can call him a prince all they like but he's just not. He ceased to be a prince the second Arthur popped his clogs,,, coronations are just a formality rly

"I'll be king when I'm 16" babes you're king right this second did no one tell you that

is this the scene where agatha is crawling in the vents and ends up in the gallery of good and finds out about the mogrifs? that be hella cool

EVERYONE MOVE I'VE WAITED SINCE I WAS TEN FUCKING YEARS OLD AND NOW WE HAVE SET PICS I NEED SEDATING IMMEDIATELY

what i like about this, it shows how fcked up the school system really is. Not just millicent, but the other mogrified students too.

Like how fairies are put into school for good, and wolves for school for evil. Because they didn't fit the criteria. or rather- They were "too evil" to be good, and "too good" to be evil. It puts the kids with neutral alignment in a dangerous place.

On another note, I want this to be adressed with nicola. Will she fail and become a mogrif? will something change? is the mogrifying students going to end?

mogrifs is such a terrifying concept- considering they are literal KIDS who didn't know any better. KIDS.

why i care about millicent of maidenvale so much

idk why im making this post i just feel like there hasnt been much millicent content for a while and if im gonna have a tumblr blog dedicated to her i may as well create some

so. the thing about millicent is she barely has any canon content. shes the least fleshed out of the main evergirls, and all we really know about her at first glance is that shes a ginger. thats honestly why i started obsessing over her in the first place, because im a ginger as well and ive always felt a kind of joking solidarity with ginger characters (until it kinda… stopped being a joke uh oh). but throughout the series we learn bits and pieces about her, such as:

- she is never paired with a prince and in fact never expresses interest in boys, at the wish fish pond when everyone sees a picture of the boy they like, she sees nothing, which is attributed to a “foggy mind”

- she is described as “obtuse” and ends as the lowest-ranked student in the school for good, despite reena and beatrix trying to help her raise her grade

- her defining trait seems to be how much she cares about her friends (her yearbook quote is “sisters before misters” which is probably lighthearted but i think it’s telling)

and i know that these details were probably just thrown in randomly by soman, because he barely gives his main characters consistent characterization let alone his background characters. but to me all of these random pieces paint a really interesting picture.

millicent, in these ways, is the opposite of what a student at the school for good is expected to be. sure she’s conventionally pretty and cares about her appearance and seems to be just like everyone else, but there are also a lot of ways she’s different. she has no interest in princes and doesn’t develop an interest at any point in the series. she prioritizes sisterhood and friendship in an environment that is inherently competitive. and she fails all of the school’s lessons despite apparently working really hard to pass. i personally headcanon that she failed the snow ball because she didn’t find a date.

when you start dissecting everything we know about millicent, you get the sense that it’s not that she doesn’t belong in the school for good, it’s that the school for good is not structured to accommodate for her. we know that her problem is not her being lazy, because beatrix said she worked really hard to raise her grades, it’s just that in the end she couldn’t grasp the information. we know that her problem is not her being cowardly, because she ends up sacrificing her life in battle to save her peers, which is just about as brave as you can get.

and i think that this tells a really interesting story about a character who is not supported by their school system. the school for good is shown to be a place that is not very accepting of different types of people, as shown by how agatha is treated. but i think millicent is a much more subtle example of this. she failed school not because of her character but because of factors out of her control. and i think it can be up for fanon interpretation what these factors are. could this somehow be a commentary on the way real-life schools don’t accommodate for differences, mental physical social etc, among their students? im not sure soman intended it that way but it does add another layer to what we know about the schools in the books.

either way millicent means a lot to me because even though she doesn’t stand out as much as agatha, so much of her character exists in defiance to the person she is expected to be and, presumably, the person she was raised to be (as a princess). in the end, she sacrifices herself to save her friends, and we know her friends have been the most important part of her life this whole time. she does not sacrifice her sense of sisterhood at any point in the series, and although she struggles a lot, there’s something so heartwarming about her maintaining her values the whole time.

in conclusion millicent is a perfect character 2 me and i wantd to tell you why

SOPHIE, The Greatest Showman!

This is SGE x The Greatest Showman AU that my tired 4am brain came up with.

Note: I'm merely basing this on the songs. The plot of the musical is irrelevant to this AU. please keep that in mind.

also try listening on this order and vibe with me.

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Book 1. Sophie/Tedros.

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The Other Side & A Million Dreams

This is the start of sophie and agatha's friendship. Sophie convinces agatha to come with her to SGE. Imagine the lake scene, yeah that.

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Come Alive

Sophie arrived at School for Evil, and met her classmates. After the classes and the tests, sophie became an inspiration. Insert "Lunchtime with Sophie".

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Never Enough & Rewrite the Stars

Sophie and Tedros- their love story basically. Imagine sophie as zac efron and tedros as zendaya (not literally, u kno what i mean). Imagine sophie singing never enough to tedros in front of everyone like the diva that she is.

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Tightrope & This is Me

Tightrope is Agatha's song. It practically embodies her come on man. and This is me is DOT's SONG YOU CAN'T CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.

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The Greatest Show

This is the Never's entrance in Circus of Talents. just iMAGINE- THE CHANT- THE BASS- SOPHIE'S ENTRANCE!! NEVERS ARE HAVING FUN AND DANCING! IT'LL BE AMAZING!!!

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From Now On

idk uhhhh sophie becoming agatha's friend again? sophie's self reflect? idk- think whatever you want with this-

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thats it, go listen to the musical in this order, you'll understand where i'm getting at, and its fun.

Callis and Agatha

We start with stars in our eyes. We start believing that we belong. but every sun doesn't rise, and no one tells you where you went wrong. - Waving through a window, Dear Evan Hansen.

I was just vibing then I heard this line and remembered that scene in TLEA where child!agatha smiled at stefan.

We already had the idea that agatha grew up with no friends, or worse got bullied. But thinking about it still hurts. Just sweet little agatha going up to someone asking to be their friend- only to be rejected. It hurts man, it really hurts.

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Imagine Callis tho, whats her reaction? her thoughts?

"and i knew i'd come up short a million different ways, and i did, and i do, and i will" - So big/so small, Dear Evan Hansen.

This song. (minus the divorce part) makes me think of callis and her raising agatha. Imagine callis waiting for agatha to get home, expecting a happy, energetic kid babbling on about the bug she found on the way home, instead sees a really sad agatha covered in bruises and dirt.

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This is so sad- they deserve better, thEY DESERVE BETTER!!

I'm sad and disappointed that nothing actually happened about the morgrifs. Book 1 made a point- made it such a big thing, and yet its just thrown aside. I'm also very disappointed that agatha stopped? like sis- please help them.

Camelot funds is a mess and i hate it

i'm so dumb confused, please someone help me, idk anything about economics.

The whole finance thing of camelot is making me so angry, ITS SO CONFUSING. Why did it took 6 months for them to figure out whats the problem- shouldn't they had a discussion with the bank about the finances since the arrival or after the coronation? There should be a meeting with Tedros, Treasury Master, and a bank representative.

WAIT- APPARENTLY THE TREASURY MASTER IS ALL LIKE "he's not officially a king, so no." WTF? WHY IS HE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH THAT?? KIng or not, Tedros is still royalty, and waaay above you in title and have authority over you. You don't get to say no because its your jOB?? to discuss finances?? omfg.

"They taxed the poor and the middle class at double the rates Arthur did and cut the taxes of the wealthiest landowners." wtf wtf wtf wtf- wait is this because of the mistral sisters? how the hell did they managed that-

And- why does the mistrals sisters able to hide the money? and how they managed to get away with it? why didn't the bank got suspicious over it? I mean- they have the ability to do something about it.

In OTK - Vault 41. Albemarle said "Camelot Beautiful is a fraudulent account. You and your sisters have been stealing Camelot funds and stashing them here for years. And now, voila, the funds flow back to Camelot, just in time for the new king to spend it."

Its possible! All Tedros had to do was talk to albemarle- its not like he's gonna refuse. (What was tedros been doing in camelot all those time??? like seriously man-)

Lady gremlaine has albemarle's business card so that means they can get an audience with him- why didn't she told tedros? why didn't she do or say anything about it? and she helped raise funds for CB, and knows something is sus, why didn't sHE DO ANYTHING- 6 MONTHS. SIX MONTHS??????????

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In conclusion, Lady gremlaine shouldn't have separated tagatha. The combined force of their braincells couldve fixed camelot.

AUs?? Concepts??

I just need to get it out there i guess. 2am rambles here we go-

MODERN AU (or Love Letter AU)

(yes, if yall following me, u shouldve seen this comin)

Evergoode and Nevermoore, 

Ever Uniform: White blazer with purple accents and purple skirt. (yes white n purple, pink n blue is sooo last season).

Never Uniform: Black and red. (like kakegurui?? i guess??)

(honestly- i already planned so much for this- idk whats stopping me from just straight up rambling bout tis au.)

Love Letter AU- basically book 1 plot, where sophie and agatha tries to woo tedros, but this time with !!Letters!!

Witch Agatha

agatha is a powerful witch living in a cottage in the forest. Just planting and gardenin with flowers and herbs. makin potions and baking pies-

cottagecore. its cottagecore. but also witchcore.

I drew a piece before- witch agatha and prince tedros- balcony scene.

Tedros- either got lost, almost got assasinated and manage to escape, or just needed to relax- whatever the reason. 

He ended up in agatha’s cottage, and helping out in the cottage, learning how to cook, walking round to forage, drinking tea.

just Tagatha cottagecore uwu.

Biker AU / Cafe AU / College AU

OF COURSE WE NOT GON FORGET BOUT THIS-

you see, i was staring at the wall, no thoughts head empty- then all of a sudden an idea-

BIKER AGATHA- the leather jacket, big black bike, and everything- BUT WORKING IN A CAFE- THE CONTRAST-

also ofc, the college part- imagine tedros just coming to the cafe where agatha works in- just to get coffee- ended up always coming back-

Delinquent AU / Red School (but modern) AU

i drew sketches of this before, and i cannot decide on “good kids gon rouge” or “atmospheric zombie apocalypse” 

the delinquent au is pretty self explanatory,

the red school plot- makes more sense if its set in modern times, and theres no magic. (i mean, u can prevent getting infected by the red smoke if u just blow it away with air magic- come on guys-)

if its set irl with no magic- tis not like you can buy a fcken gas mask in 7/11- it’ll be way harder to fight against the infected.

anyway basically this au exist becuz tagatha wearing uniforms with blood splatter in it- while their holding a weapon- tis hot.  

BONUS:

WALL-E AU (originally: @pumpkinpaperweight )

Agatha as wall-e and Tedros as eve.

agatha- lookin a lil steampunk robot. with goggles on her head, and her boots as roller skates.

tedros- has a hood thingy, like a retractable helmet. (def not among us.)

Agatha just doin her job, and collect lil trinklets. and this guy just comes in from the sky-

Tedros just doin his job, tryna find his objective- and this guy wont help him find it >:((

note: their dynamic aint like the movie, but more on actual tagatha

HS Band AU (with: @cucumbrandbeeswax )

this started cuz of her “SGE reference sheet post” in ig. i told her “they look like theyre bout to sing i want it that way from b99″. we came up with this concept-

Dot - lead singer, Hester - bass guitar, Agatha - lead guitar, Tedros - drummer, Anadil - piano, 

(she can finish this au of she wants, just wanna put it out there :DD)

ahhhh there we go- i prolly forgot to add smth- but im too tired-

what if agatha have green eyes instead of sophie?

Just a fun lil headcanon i can’t get it out of my head- its 2am time to word vomit.

because we love a character with black hair and green eyes, amirite? also cuz it be hot

soman keeps emphasizing agathas eyes being big n buggy- basically agathas defining feature. usually calls it ugly tho- but u kno- what if???

green color is usually associated with bad magic and villains, 

while i love sophie’s green eyes aesthetic, i think agatha having green eyes adds to agatha’s “witchy vibe”, why the people in gavaldon be calling her a witch, and Ever students be avoiding her.

The whole hating her eyes to learning to love n appreciate thing

applies to agatha AND tedros-

Agatha looks scary and the green eyes is just making it worse. they be calling her a witch- a freak. but then later in the books, she learned to appreciate it n stuff.

TEDROS THO- in the Welcoming (SGE school orientation)- when their eyes met, he thought her eyes looks so beautiful <33

during the i-dont-like-you-ur-weird phase, imagine tedros thinking how her eyes are just so enchanting and captivating- 

it also adds to agatha and sophies dynamic

Sophie would be jealous, in a way, cuz agatha have such pretty green eyes and sophie have just, plain dark brown (DISCLAIMER- BROWN/BLACK EYES ARE V PRETTY (i also have em) TIS JUST- IDK PLOT WISE-)

like dude- imagine when they found out theyre sisters, Vanessa would hate agatha even more cuz “How dare this child look so ugly but have such pretty eyes???”

(tw// implied gore??) idk y but the idea of sophie wanting to carve out agathas eyes  sounds cool,

Agatha a Slytherin???

in the OTK cover, you can see agatha dressed in green with snake theme goin on. 

come on, agatha with green eyes, wearing snake theme clothes.

Thats,, what all i have, thanks for putting up with the word vomit. 

DAY 22: VACATION

i cant do 30 day challenge for the life of me. so i combined some related prompts and drew em,, yeahh 

DAY 2 and 4: Summer Day and Swimming

they got some hella painful sunburn, but hey, they havin fun :DDD

DAY 21 and 28: Myths and Flowers

FLOWER CROWNS!! i just squeezed in the myth,, pretty accurate i must say

DAY 27: ROAD TRIP

10 minutes later:

Both of them can drive, they take shifts.

DAY 12, 18, and 23: Rain, Tears, and Comfort

The lineart and color was done by the AMAZING and TALENTED Gennn.ni !! Check em out on instagram or just click the link owo

Why Book 1 Agatha was superior and how I wish Soman wrote her by this example

This is honestly the best example of how Book 1 Agatha was the superior Agatha

I love that Agatha saw the 'magical' side of Evil, it's propably regarded as parlor tricks to the more experienced villains but still, the fact that Agatha was amazed by it was something purely done so by her. She sometimes complimented Evil in her own way and almost never underestimated it.

This was her edge, I think. As a first year and even before that, she never saw Evil as inferior but something equal to Good.

But regardless of that, she also knew when to stop when she's being tempted too much for the sake of greater good.

And I think this is what makes her Good; her selflessness to abandon things dear to her because she knows that it will help others.

She's still very flawed; she can be rude, sometimes smug, sometimes closed minded and is just not going to agree much less follow all of Good's etiquette but she chooses to do Good regardless if she looses something very important to her.

Throughout the books she sort of lost that spark to her personality where she admired the weird and reveled in the things that other people find repelling.

This could be because the plot becomes much more complex and there are no longer times where she could show this side to her again but still.

I kinda wish that we were shown more bits and pieces of this peculiar side of her instead of always being commented about preferring black and dark places. A simple, passionate reasoning would suffice.

The only weird thing that Soman keeps on commenting is her appearance and like, we get it, Soman, she's not the best looking person out there and ahe doesn't really put much effort but be more creative when showing how people see Agatha as kinda different.

Make her wear really weird jewelry, maybe one of Anadil's bone bracelets or make her say something something completely witchy that gets goody-two-shoes Evers a bit uncomfortable.

You know, sorta quirky in her unique, witchy, 'graveyard' girl kinda way.

SGE AUs

DID SOMEONE SAY PIRATE AU??? weLL BOY I HAVE SOME PIRATE AGATHA SKETCH FOR YALL

hot damn, a queen. we stan. She hab choppy hair, she cut it so it wouldnt bother her much and it somehow looks great on her.

ANOTHER ONE: Actor AU

Sophie can NOT, for the life of her, ACT. but her looks what made her big. Agatha was forced (she cool w/ it tho, has consent >:[[) to become sophie’s assistant. Tedros is an award winning actor, he great :33

Something happened which caused shortage of cast and immediately need of replacement (cuz no more time for auditions). Agatha was chosen cuz she fits the character. and she did GREAT. which kinda funny cuz--sophie cant act

I got this idea/concept from @pumpkinpaperweight​ ‘s fic ideas. (tho i didnt read the full post, sorry). They mentioned pirate agatha, and celeb au. :DD

Dont mess with agatha

Just a quick sketch, the gargoyle scene in book one, but modern au

Softball! The Coven

more sketches for sge!modern au, where the coven are softball players.

disclaimer: im not a softball player, i dont know anything bout softball, softball does not exist in my country :’00

BONUS SKETCH!!! Tagatha chillin in a rooftop uwu

I TRIED IM SORRY BUT LIKE---

Extremely specific character appearance headcanons

I’ve done stuff like this before but this is REALLY specific and also updated. kate compensates for her lack of artistic talent. again. 

agatha

very angular– sharp chin, long and pointy nose

long, bony limbs and hands, v tall but she slouches and has terrible posture. 

flat and pretty much completely lacks curves 

I think this is canon but very flat, inexpressive eyebrows. same for her mouth 

her eyes are a little uneven, but they’re protuberant and she has a slightly angry resting face as a result of that (and her eyebrows). her irises are so dark brown they’re nearly black.

lots of moles and birthmarks 

I always imagined her hair as shorter than a bob but I know most people don’t agree with me lmao

not an appearance thing but I always thought she’d have quite a deep voice 

bites her nails

her smile crinkles her eyes and makes her look a lot more approachable hence why everyone’s like “omg”

teeth are a bit crooked

she’s got a weird charm about her though, like she’s very striking

looks good in red, black, white and dark blue

looks ill in yellow, doesn’t like green apart from very dark shades, 

tedros

he’s very broad-shouldered and looks very solid and sturdy

yes, he has thick curly hair it’s CANON

it gets bleached in the summer and lightens a shade, usually it’s gold-blond but it leans towards white-blond if he’s out in the sun enough

obvs he’s got a chiselled face and jaw, but his nose has been broken in training before so it’s crooked. he hates it. 

a little bit acne-prone

very full mouth and big, earnest eyes and quite heavy eyebrows, but they’re a little bit arched

it makes him have a very approachable resting face, unlike agatha’s lmao

only smiles with teeth when he’s faking it (which, initially, was all the time) because he doesn’t like how his genuine closed-mouth smile looks much (it makes him look squishy n he hates it, agatha thinks it’s great)

bites the insides of his cheeks a bit bc it’s a stress thing that’s easy to hide

has lil freckles on his nose and cheeks

once he’s older he grows a beard bc he thinks it makes him look ~mature and responsible~ (it does, actually, but it doesn’t mean Agatha doesn’t make fun for a little bit first)

Sophie

her hair is very fine and light, (white blonde where tedros’s is gold) but it’s REALLY long, so she can do whatever with it (and kinda needs to, you’re doomed if you’re trying to run through the woods with waist-length or longer princess hair. put that shit in a braid)

she tries to pretend it’s naturally curly but it’s not, if you catch her early enough in the morning she’s still got curlers in 

short and curvy, it plays up the contrast between her and Agatha a lot

she’s got a really cherub-like face, round and really sweet, with like, very full lips and a little nose and stuff. no wonder everyone thought she was good. looks like a baby angel.

her eyes are a little bit catlike, kinda sly, don’t really fit w her face which makes sense lmao

has her nails super-long and painted, like talons. so she can tap them on things and sound scary and if she was ever inclined to, she’d probably poison them like that lady in Holes

dyes her eyebrows bc if she didn’t they wouldn’t be visible, and she can’t have THAT

when she was little her ears stuck out a bit and she HATED IT, she grew into it and it’s not noticeable anymore but she aims a hit at Agatha any time Agatha tries to bring it up

she’s got a chipped front tooth from when she fell over on graves hill one time, she claims it gives her character even though agatha insists it’s not even noticeable

And that's on tedros bi activism

Plus the frames without lyrics

SOPHIE'S TRAUMA (Or lack thereof)

Something that's always irked me about TCY is how flippant Sophie is toward references to Rafal. This old ass bitch groomed and took advantage of her, manipulated and brainwashed her with the Swan Gold, and by the Ever-Never Handbook she's talking about him like he’s an unfortunate ex and not, you know, a fucking monster.

In TLEA it is specifically stated that Sophie is terrified of Rafal before he gives her his ring. Even after that, she makes numerous comments on feeling unsafe around him. There's no denying that she was affected by Rafal's behavior during the time they were together, so why is he written off as another guy Sophie couldn't keep? Why does Rafal become a punchline from the Handbook forward, not even a year after his death?

To put it simply: Sophie was taken advantage of by an older man. She showed obvious signs of how this was negatively affecting her in TLEA. It's safe to assume that she would gain some sort of trauma from this, but such is never exploited in QFG onwards.

Sure, Sophie is a very frivolous person, so her making a joke at the expense of an ex or commenting on how he's “still hot” doesn't come unexpected. But Rafal isn’t a Tedros or a Hort or even a Rhian. Sophie was never actually in love with Rafal—she thought he was hot as a teenager, yeah, but her romantic feelings for him were made up by the ring, and the rest was about her desire to become Evil’s queen and her jealousy toward Tagatha.

It’s like… shouldn’t the memory of Rafal affect Sophie in some way outside of, “yeah he was evil but at least he was hot”, or whatever? Isn’t there a chance that maybe the reason she was happy on her own at the end of TLEA was because being with Rafal had scared the concept of having a prince out of her? And that her lunging for the first cute boy she sees in QFG is completely out of character?

Trauma and grief affect people differently. I’m not going to pretend to be a psychology major when I’m not. I can’t speak from personal experience, but I can confidently say that Sophie “getting over” Rafal as quickly as she did felt shallow and lazy.

The closest thing to a reaction at the mention of Rafal that we see from Sophie is her comparing theSnake to him in QFG and getting a little unnerved. I find it bizarre that Sophie’s pretty much moved on from the whole ordeal not even a year later.

The argument that displaying a character suffering from trauma in a children’s book is inappropriate doesn’t work here, either, because Soman’s already written the toxic relationship she would be suffering trauma from into the damn book. That’s not to mention Tedros getting tortured in book 2, Callis getting burnt at the stake, Sophie being brutalized and left to die by the Elders—seriously, I could go on for years about the things that aren’t “suitable for a M.G. novel” in this series.

In fact, I believe it would be important to show Sophie having nervous or negative reactions toward references to Rafal. It would display the damage a relationship like theirs can have on a person, and then maybe less 12 y/o’s would find Rafal and Raphie less hot.

This can be applied to more than just Sophie, too. Literally every character in this series has lost a parent or guardian. Tedros was tortured, Sophie died in book 1, Agatha watched these horrible things happen to her friends… the list goes on. It amazes me that not one character has mourned or shown grief for a dead character or has had a breakdown over the immense amount of shit they’ve been through. Callis is mentioned maybe three times over the course of TCY. It’s insane.

Is this comprehensible? I’m not sure. It’s vvv late but I need to get these thoughts out.

Bottom line: I don’t think the Sophie/Rafal situation was handled well post-TLEA, and the representation of the trauma these kids undoubtedly should have is nonexistent.

Ngl i also thought agatha was lesbian,, :0000c

Reacting to 1 Star SGE Reviews

Note: All of these are from different people! 

Okay, so I’ve personally never seen any gay characteristics in Agatha?? Does goth = gay ? Maybe it was because Agatha was bullied and outcasted? 

please reblog with “gay” traits that Agatha apparently has because that went completely over my head

Also since when did Soman Chainani make award-winning gay pride films?? I NEED TO SEE THEM NOW. 

And girl… I feel so bad for you. Wait till you find out they’re sisters. 

I do kind of understand the criticism of fat-shaming? But it didn’t really stand out to me. Soman was probably trying to throw in some satire/commentary, I don’t know. 

First of all:

Tedros raised some red flags but it was rounded out by TLEA anyway so it wasn’t a problem for me. 

Second:

WHERE DO PEOPLE KEEP INTERPRETING AGATHA AS A LESBIAN?? 

W H E R E. 

Seriously, I have no idea, someone enlighten me. 

Third: 

The whole point was that Agatha changes her mindset and accepts herself. I shouldn’t even need to explain this part. 

LMAOOO Fantasy Mean Girls. 

I think the “changing motivations” issue was with the Coven, because first they made fun of Sophie, then helped her win Tedros over, and at the end they were on Agatha’s side. I don’t exactly remember the reasons why, but it made sense to me because 1. they were just trying to get Sophie out of Evil and 2. they understood the bigger picture of defeating Sophie. 

This is so funny because I’m imagining this guy ranting and spitting in my face. He is Extremely Pressed. The rest of his review was something about stereotypes and wrong messages and confusion of the plot. 

My Review of These Reviews:

There were a lot of other… opprobrium that I didn’t include just because they went on and on for so long. Here were the points I found interesting:

Sophie is stupid, annoying character and Agatha should’ve left her when she had the chance. 

I can 100% see why many readers would hate Sophie. But she was my favorite character and still is! 

Agatha did a 180 on her personality. There was no good reason for her to date Tedros when she hated boys for a majority of the book. 

I think that whole “Agatha blushes and gets nervous around Tedros” scene was unnecessary. And her hypocrisy killed me the first time I read SGE, but I knew that was the lesson Soman was going for. I wish she kept her witchy side though, Agatha’s character is getting worse and worse with every book (in the Camelot Years). 

Someone said that it rubbed them the wrong way when the wolf captured Sophie, undressed her, then clothed her again? Something like that? 

Was it the Beast in the Doom Room (who was supposed to punish and humiliate her… god I see the implication). PLUS, Sophie described Stefan with a wolf mask?? That is very… uh. Are they thinking what I’m thinking? Not to mention that Hort, known simp, is a man-wolf. Jesus. 

This is not appropriate for ages 8 and up. 

I agree with this. I’m pretty sure Soman forgot that they were 12 years old, because picturing CHILDREN in romantic relationships is uncomfortable, especially when they’re acting AT LEAST 16. The amount of dark themes are pretty surprising, but I’d read much darker books before so I didn’t care. If Soman simply aged them up (and made it even darker, though that’s a personal preference) parents wouldn’t feel so misled and angry.  

I Don’t Really... Like Agatha? Sorry. This will be explained, I promise. I do like her, just in a different way.

This is going to be super controversial, I know it. 

Surprisingly, this started in Book 1. 

My first thought when I was introduced to Agatha was: I would not be friends with her. 

Like, okay, you’re goth and edgy and ugly and different. That’s cool. But, 

Let Sophie Go. 

Clearly, Sophie wants to become a princess and have a fairytale. That’s all she’s ever dreamed of, it’s in the first chapter. And Agatha wants a normal life in Gavaldon, which is understandable. 

So, she tries to “save” Sophie from being taken by the School Master. But the way I see it, Agatha is clinging on to Sophie because she’s the only friend that she’ll ever have, and if she leaves, Agatha will have nothing. Agatha even SAYS that Sophie is the only one who makes her feel accepted. 

This turns out to be a theme for the rest of the plot: Agatha wants her old life back with her friend. She even achieves that at the end, kind of. I don’t have a problem with that, you know? However, it’s not like Sophie was the darling of Gavaldon and her popularity transfers to Agatha in their friendship. Radley points out that Sophie is hanging out with a witch, so Agatha still has the same reputation. 

So, Agatha just plans on living the rest of her life as an outcast? Sophie makes her FEEL normal. She’s not actually normal in Gavaldon terms. In fact, she’d probably be scapegoated for a famine or wildfire or kidnapping the children, and then sentenced to death by The Elders. 

When she gets to SGE, she wants to return home… for WHAT? Sure, the students at School for Good tease you (and this time, you don’t have Sophie to back you up), and the teachers don’t have much faith in you.  I know what it feels like to be alone and doubted by everyone. Still though, this is a magical school, and Agatha can learn magic. Literally who would turn that down? Granted, Ever Girl classes are about beauty and grace, two things Agatha would fail in, but she is so smart.  If she focused on magic and spells and put her mind to it, she could easily become powerful. Just talk to Dovey, talk to August Sader, ask them about improving your skills beyond posture or smiling (also this could’ve been an amazing opportunity for Agatha to have scenes with her so-called mentors, but no, she speaks two words to them, they wink at her knowingly and when they die, we’re supposed to cry? Bullshit.) 

 Agatha has shown that she’s badass already. Why not become more powerful and prove the Ever Girls wrong? Instead, she wants Sophie to kiss Tedros so they can resume their friendship in Gavaldon. 

By the way, neither girl LIKES their school. That’s why Sophie was convinced to go to the School Master. She was like, damn, if we can’t switch schools and I can’t go to the Snow Ball, what’s the point? Fine, I’ll settle for Agatha. 

I don’t know, I think Agatha was selfish in holding back Sophie. Just let her flirt with Tedros, what’s so hard about that? Oh, you feel inadequate because you’ve lost Sophie’s attention? Grow a backbone (yes, I know that’s the point of the book). 

 Anyways, if you only saw through Sophie in the beginning, you would have known that the faster Sophie chases after her fairytale, the faster she’ll fail and put it to rest (after a world-ending tantrum, but it would’ve cut the page count in half. So I don’t need to read this much boy drama). 

The Glow Up

Everyone raves about this damn scene. Agatha becomes confident, yay! Inspiring to young girls everywhere. That’s established. Let’s move on. 

SGE is about subverting expectations, appearances vs reality, friends vs love. We know that. Except Agatha is just… 

When Agatha became “pretty”, and then realized her inner beauty shines past her looks, I thought she would KNOCK BITCHES DOWN. I was rooting for her. I thought she’d finally put Sophie in her place. 

This was destroyed when Agatha became like the Ever Girls she hated for the first part of the book. She develops a crush on Tedros, which was the defining feature of the Ever Girls: liking boys. Nothing wrong with that, it was just out of place. I understand that Tedros might have caught feelings after Agatha saves his life, that’s a trope we’re familiar with and it makes sense. 

What doesn’t, is that Agatha reciprocates? She’s been grossed out by boys the whole book, what makes Tedros different? Literally what switch flipped in her brain. That she’s worthy of love? Girl, if you’re “confident” now and suddenly dating a boy that you never genuinely got to know… Also, was Tagatha even considered a relationship? They don’t hang out until TLEA. I feel like Agatha was just excited to have a guy like her for once. They call each other “true love” based on what? We BEEN KNEW Tedros is dumb (okay, you picked her in all the challenges, that’s not real proof), and Agatha, do you even know his last name? 

^ if anyone’s watched the Witcher, Yennefer is very similar to Agatha and she gains her physical beauty after she’s finished with her training as a mage. Also, Yennefer is dating a hot guy with authority WHILE she’s still ugly. Love that for her. (This situation is different because Yennefer is morally grey, maybe evil, but I like this arc better than Agatha’s).

Lesbian Agatha? Simp Agatha?  What’s going on??

This started when I noticed on Goodreads that some people genuinely thought Agatha was lesbian. (Me being me, this went over my head).  

Like, okay I get it, Agatha MIGHT be a simp for Sophie. I do kinda get it. 

Throughout the book, Agatha repeatedly is there for Sophie even when Sophie treats her like shit (I don’t have to explain each example, right? We been knew.)

What stands out to me most was when 1. she literally turned into a cockroach and stayed up all night for weeks to help Sophie study 2. cheated and guided her in the Trial By Tale  (risking her life several times in the process). 

That wasn’t because she had a Good heart (though it contributed). It was because Agatha wanted to protect Sophie. 

The only reason I didn’t include all the times Agatha helped Sophie make Tedros fall in love with her was because she thought that Sophie’s kiss would send them back home, so that was theoretically for her own benefit (although we know that Sophie was just using Agatha). 

Also, I distinctly remember Sophie having a Regina George moment with Agatha where she was like “why are you so obsessed with me?!”. Because Agatha was being all “😔👉🏻👈🏻 we’re friends” and Sophie was like GET YOUR OWN LIFE YOU’RE RUINING MINE!!! 

Nitpicky Shit

This is irrelevant, when you come for me don’t mention this part because I’m not all that pressed. 

Agatha comes off as Not Like Other Girls. She says that everyone at School for Good are stupid/shallow RIGHT OFF THE BAT. Obviously Beatrix didn’t make a good impression, but come on. 

She hates that all the girls are obsessed with boys and looks. Just because you’re not interested doesn’t mean others can’t be. It came up several times and I was so irritated. Not to mention that Sophie was basically a carbon copy of Beatrix except that she’s nice to her. 

This is extremely SJW of me but I had to say it. Sophie is a typical bratty blonde. Agatha is said to be hideous, then finds out she was beautiful all along. I felt like this would’ve been better if Agatha had Real unconventional features. 

She’s tall, skinny and pale with big eyes. That is a textbook runway model and fits Eurocentric beauty standards. It’s not like making Agatha fat, short, and dark-skinned with acne is going to enhance the book, although it would be so, so nice.  

Might be editing this later on! I don’t know!

Disclaimer: Agatha’s still a good character, I still like reading about her. 

Rewriting the Entirety of SGE: The School Years

All of this is solely up to my own preference. Yes, some parts may be messy because I am inexperienced. I don’t even know what a plot is. Here we go.

I didn’t have any major problem with Book 1 until Agatha’s Glow Up, so we’re starting there.

Canon: Agatha realizes she was beautiful all along and literally two minutes later Tedros falls in love with her.

However, I think it would’ve been so much more impactful if she simply changed her perspective on her “ugliness” from a negative light to an objective standpoint.

We already know that Agatha is badass, so I think she should view herself that way. Insecurity is nothing if she amounts her features to the raw human ability that they possess. Her frame is tall and skinny because she’s athletic, her big eyes serve her the purpose of seeing. Agatha may not be pretty, but every bone in her body was made so that she could eat, breathe, laugh, fight, do parkour around School for Evil.

It’s obvious that Ever Girls only care about their appearance because they want to impress boys (in School for Girls, they are shown as letting themselves go). Agatha is characterized as having no interest in boys, and therefore she doesn’t need to be pretty in the first place. Now, I know that princesses need a prince in order to have their fairytale, but Agatha already thinks that’s bullshit – why not go against it?

Also, this is extremely minor, but I’d rather have Agatha have some kind of deformity, like a cleft lip or crooked spine. It would really sell the idea that she was different. As a kid, even if Soman screamed in my face that Agatha was canonically ugly, I couldn’t imagine how she could be if the features she was described with were SO normal. Of course, her deformity remains throughout the book, because that is Not Cool if it’s magically removed.  

I’ve said this before in my I Don’t Really Like Agatha post, and I’ll say it again. She is ungrateful for the opportunity she could have at School for Good. I’d literally kill to be there, I’d sit through every mind-numbing, subtly sexist class about smiling and posture just so I could practice magic, and I’m sure a lot of people think the same.

[edited: didn’t mean to sound so callous, it’s only an opinion]

Agatha isn’t even using this to expand her power. She uses her wish a total of 2 times in this book, and it’s not like she didn’t have time to use it. It’s disappointing.

So, imagine that Agatha just GRINDS in her school-work. Sure, she fails the challenges related to Strategic Blushing and Matching Outfits, but everything else she excels. At first she just didn’t want to be turned into a plant, she was only studying to survive. Now, it’s more than that.

Agatha is introduced as having a fondness for villains, and it’s apparent that beauty is irrelevant in their success stories. Although she is hurt when Sophie alludes to how she’d “fit in” with the immature, trigger-happy Nevers, she can apply those values of dismissing outer appearances while still being Good. It’s not as if Agatha is greedy or deceitful. She saves the Wish Fish, forgives Sophie countless times, and doesn’t do anything outright vicious. There’s no reason to question that she’s NOT a Never. She can be ugly and an Ever at the same time, wasn’t that the original message?

Hypothetically, she gains more knowledge and strength in spells and potions and such, and just like Sophie, even if everyone doubted her, she could rise through the ranks. There’s no point in worrying about your looks when you’re the most powerful girl in school. (Did I make Agatha too close to Evil? Maybe. But she doesn’t need to push people down to bring herself up, she’s just a natural like that.)

Also, if she needs a boy to ask her out to the Snow Ball, she 100% hates that. She could just talk to Dovey, are they really gonna fail the baddest bitch there?

No. They’re not.

Okay, here’s the biggest part that everyone will hate me for. No Tagatha. At least, not until TLEA.

When Agatha comes out of the Groom Room having just kickstarted her self-esteem and everyone’s drooling, Tedros is attracted to her instantly. I guess that’s fine. Reasonable. But consider this:

Agatha doesn’t love Tedros back.

When Tedros asks her out at the Circus of Talents, she declines. Because if she really knew her own worth, she wouldn’t say yes before making friends with him first. That’s only fair. Actually, I’d say a part of insecurity is settling for any guy who gives you attention (aka Tedros). Y'all are gonna hit me with the damning “We accept the love we think we deserve”.

EVEN IF SHE BELIEVES SHE DESERVES HIM NOW, IT DOESN’T MEAN SHE’LL JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO DATE HIM. THAT’S MESSED UP.

Okay, I know Sophie threw her bitch fit because Agatha was being a hypocrite and dating Tedros. So, tweak that and have Sophie throw a bitch fit simply because Tedros asked Agatha out in the first place. That still makes sense with her entitled selfish personality.

In the stupid war of Evers and Nevers, (which was like, strange considering they’re kids but they’ll have a similar conflict for the next two years), Tedros and Agatha are not together. You could throw in a bit of “Tedros wants to prove to Agatha he’s a hero” but for god’s sakes we are NOT putting in that little chauvinistic “how dare a princess question me”. That one line gave me a bad feeling about Tedros — foreshadowing for AWWP? And it’s crazy that Soman wrote that, along with his lack of brain cells. Are you trying to make readers bully him in memes and instagram group chats? Not from personal experience.

Oh, and this is more of a complaint. But, why did Soman make Sophie bald, pockmarked, and toothless in her transformation of embracing Evil? I thought this was about breaking stereotypes.

The Evil stigma that’s drilled in their heads about being pretty and in general taking care of yourself, is completely inane to me. I can’t believe that Sophie’s “trickery” of Tedros was so revolutionary. None of the Nevers, in 200 years, thought of that?

Instead of her beauty regressing, I’d actually want it to be heightened. It’s what set her apart from the Nevers the moment she walked in. It should be the icing on top of the cake. When Sophie is at her peak of power, she’s a princess. Who could kill you.

If you’re worried about reducing women to be pretty objects or seductresses, stop. It’s okay. Sophie has other powers like summoning ravens, wasps, locusts, bats, using her singing voice for torture, and she is skilled in curses and death traps. In short, the Hot Evil Lady trope works for her. (I think. Someone correct me.)

At the end of SGE, Agatha chooses Sophie over Tedros. Needless to say, Tedros feels betrayed. If you wanted to make him an idiot, with anger issues, daddy issues, and an inferiority complex, this is the easiest way out. He’s under the misguided impression that Agatha belongs with him simply because 1. He loves her. 2. He’s the prince of Camelot, damnit. Doesn’t that mean anything to you?

Not to mention that his father pressured him not to make the same mistake. And Tedros thinks that School for Good is his pool of suitors since Arthur married his classmate Guinevere? There is no line of logic in this man at all, did you miss the part where Guinevere cheats and runs away? Maybe Ever Girls isn’t the only place you should look! There are thousands of other girls in the Woods and you intend to find your soulmate at 14?? Goddamn. 

In conclusion, Tedros’ hurt feelings continue to AWWP. Easy.

And if y’all gonna come for me about how Tedros is easily swayed by looks (he’s convinced that Sophie and Agatha are in the wrong schools for half the book) I’d want to make him a bit smarter. I know that’s impossible.

In canon, Tedros turns on Sophie because her true colors showed, and her witchy phase gives him that confirmation bias. He goes feral with testosterone and heroism, as we know.

I’d like him to understand that just because his solely physical attraction to Sophie grew when she’s evil and pretty, it doesn’t mean that she’s not any less dangerous. If Tedros, of all people, learns the difference between appearances vs reality, it would really drive the point home.

All right. You’re still here?

Here’s some extra headcanons you could add in here and here.

In the meantime I’ll think of more.

If there were any hard-hitting themes I was supposed to include, please tell me, I usually gloss over them while reading. 

But anyway, thanks for reading this far.

OT3

What did you say? They’re sisters?!?!? Not in this household. I’ve disregarded the thought as soon as i read it.

OT3 is superior. i cant believe yall be sleeping on it!! Do you know how powerful the three of them would be?!!! and less putting up with sophie’s bullshit?

Never mess with Sophie.

Everyone loves Agatha

Camelot’s King and Queens

Thank you for listening to my ted talk.

Head empty, just evil!agatha

Any tips for panel layout for pacing? I feel like yours really lends itself to the stories u tell.

thank u. its random comic tips which may or may not answer your question time, cookie edition

did that help

yeEahYUH

More modern sge au concepts >:DDDDDD

Agatha friends with the others before the glow-up. (im a lil biased but-) THEY FRIENDS! YOU CAN ONLY TRY AND PRY THIS HEADCANON FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!

Tagatha modern clothes

Agatha’s mom is a doctor right?? that makes her rich lol

Works by Nick De Spain

Is it bad that I’ve owned the new SGE book since April and I still haven’t read it? Like, I’d fallen in love with the series. I’ve been reading it for what is essentially six years now - started at 14, now 18. But I feel like there’s something stopping me. I don’t know if it lies more on Sophie or Tagatha. Don’t get me wrong Soman is a fantastic writer but you can see his favouritism towards Sophie and it gets old fucking fast, and you can play favourites but it’s when it affects the character arc it also creates a problem.

Sophie doesn’t learn anything nor face any consequences, despite the fact she’s the root of most - if not all problems because, to put bluntly; she’s a brat. Soman doesn’t acknowledge this. Sure, Agatha will give her a slight scolding but since when does Sophie take her seriously?

To be honest people bitch about Tedros being “on his period.” when he wanted Sophie dead, but I was rooting for him. Tagatha have their problems but Sophie amplifies them.

If Sophie’s not learning anything, then she’s not a good character - long-term at least. And I don’t want to have to force myself to keep reading her bullshit. I physically threw TLEA across my room when Sophie started degrading Agatha. I thank Sophie for one thing and one thing only; The moor scene.

Sophie’s a shit friend, period.

Which leads on to Tagatha. Why can’t these two just be happy? Seriously Soman let them breath for five fucking minutes. I’m sick of them falling out because Tedros takes a bitchfit over something so minute that could be solved in one conversation. Tedros isn’t 14 anymore - which to be honest it’s difficult for me to imagine the characters younger than me because I’ve literally grew through my high-school years with these books.

Edit: It is 2019 and I still haven’t touched it.

Why Tedros of Camelot is not a Mary Sue

I’ve seen a bunch of people on the SGE wiki calling Tedros a Mary Sue/Marty Stu/Gary Stu and I disagree so here’s a FRICKING ESSAY.

WARNING: This is gonna be a full-blown essay. Also I’m using Mary Sue as a gender neutral term because I don’t see the point in the term Gary Stu but I’m not opening that can of worms…Also, very mild book 3 and 4 spoilers.

DISCLAIMER: I’m tired and grumpy. I’m not trying to attack anyone with this post and I am not usually this tired or this grumpy. But today I’m tired and grumpy. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08YRWuK4bso watch this because I’m too tired to repeat her message.

Reasons why Tedros of Camelot is not a Mary Sue

1) Tedros has flaws.

Mary Sues are flawless characters - and this includes characters whose flaws are physical things, or things other people have done to them. Mary Sues are “X character is kind and brave and caring and has unlimited superpowers but they have two different coloured eyes and their parents hate them so they’re totally flawed.”

Tedros is not flawless. Tedros is stupid. Reckless. Impulsive. He holds grudges. He is stubborn. He values his pride too much, which leads him to land everyone in trouble. He is absolutely terrible at communicating. He has SERIOUS trust issues. Did I mention he’s stupid?

But this doesn’t make him a bad character, because…

2) Tedros grows as a character.

I would argue that Tedros is the character who goes through the most character development throughout the series. Tedros begins the books as someone who sees the world as black and white. He is someone who believes he knows the boundaries between good and evil, and refuses to change those views. Take his first proper scene with Agatha, for example. When Tedros sees the gargoyle in Agatha’s arms, he doesn’t stop to ask himself what is going on - he instantly categorizes the gargoyle as evil, and kills it. Even when Agatha protests that the gargoyle was innocent, he just considers her evil by association. He does the same thing with his mother - he resents his mother for abandoning him, so he paints her as the villain of the story, building up his father as a hero, despite having seen his father’s descent into paranoia and alcoholism. He refuses to change his views of Arthur = good and Guinevere = bad. He also holds grudges and doesn’t trust his princess, despite Agatha often knowing better then him.

But throughout the books, Tedros learns. He learns that people are multifaceted, and that there is more to people than Ever or Never, boy or girl. He learns to swallow his pride and let Agatha take the lead. He learns to put away his prejudices and admit his own flaws. He even learns to forgive his mother, and actually listens to her side of the story. And even though he does have a bit of a backslide in book 4, he apologizes and proceeds to be more careful about his actions. In fact, he does this even better than Agatha, who continues to keep trying to take charge even in book 6, when it’s not her battle to fight. (No hate to Agatha. It’s just that Tedros’s arc is slightly more impressive.)

3) Tedros is not a personality vaccum.

Part of the problem with Mary Sues is that they cause everyone around them to lose all personality beyond what is needed to make the Sue look good, as the whole universe’s point is to make them look good. The world literally revolves around a Mary Sue. A smart character cannot be as smart as the Sue, an edgy character cannot have a backstory which is more tragic than the Sue’s, an attractive character cannot be as attractive as the Sue, etc.

But with SGE, this is clearly not the case. Every major character has a reasonably developed and multifaceted personality. (Except Anadil, but Anadil’s whole thing is that she doesn’t have a personality.) Think of Hester - she was introduced as Sophie’s edgy, cool, black-hearted rival. But as the books progress, we see a different side to Hester: she is very driven and determined to prove herself as more than a girl, as seen when Evelyn Sader revamps the school, she is very emotionally mature, as shown when she doesn’t hold a grudge against Hansel and Gretel, and she clearly cares about her close friends a lot - even though Dot is constantly the butt of Hester and Anadil’s jokes, they are willing to do anything to protect her, even attacking the Sheriff.

Another example is Reena - she is present throughout the books as Beatrix’s sidekick, and she is often thought of as nothing more than that, as Sophie explicitly states. But in book 6 she suddenly takes control, revealing herself to be a strong leader, quick-thinking and smart and a QUEEN.

This started as me defending Tedros and dissolved into me just stanning best girls Hester and Reena……..anyway back to the show.

4) JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE A CHARACTER, THAT DOESN’T MAKE THEM A MARY SUE.

Being stuck up is not a Mary Sue characteristic. Being perfect is. Look me in the eyes and tell me this dopey golden retriever of a prince is perfect.

In conclusion:

Tedros is not a Mary Sue. He is a bicon and a puppy and I love him.

(Thoughts on OTK coming soon!)

The Switch

What if they actually switch???? this is my take on how that will happen.

Set in,, first book, empress new clothes and the roach and the fox

what if sophie used the notes-- the notes agatha made to help sophie study-- against agatha and convinced the teachers to make them switch.

NEVER!agatha