One Of The Things That Feminism Needs To Better Grapple With Is The Difference Between Systemic And Interpersonal

One of the things that feminism needs to better grapple with is the difference between systemic and interpersonal issues.

The biggest reason that a lot of women push back from feminism with their additions to #NotAllMen is because those women know and love men who aren't rapists and who aren't physically abusive. It's entirely natural to rail against something that you see as attacking someone that you love.

When feminists advocate for single-sex schooling to protect girls, there's an automatic push back and outcry over the very real bullying that goes on in girl-only schools that have had long-lasting impacts on ex-students.

Glossing over the abuse that mothers put their daughters through often gives the impression that anything that counters any women-supporting-women narrative has to be stamped down on and ignored, or at worst, even denied, for the good of feminism.

It's far too easy as feminists to see criticisms like the above from women and then dismiss them, or repeat more statistics and then get frustrated at those women or call them handmaidens, instead of engaging and understanding why they're railing against what's being said.

No, not every single man is a raping woman-beater, but there are a ton more male abusers than female abusers, and a ton more female victims than male victims. That's a systemic issue, and we need to fix it. That doesn't make those loved fathers, brothers, cousins, friends or partners suddenly monsters out of nowhere.

No, female-only schools aren't perfect and there are bullying scandals in all schools, that doesn't excuse the individual abuse that victims have been through, but in general, they're safer for girls, and girls achieve higher grades than in mixed-sex schools, which is important to discuss and improve on.

No, abuse victims shouldn't be silent over what they've been through, and female abusers deserve to face justice. Continued cycles of abuse and female socialisation and mental illess etc might explain some of the abuse, but it doesn't excuse it. The point of feminism is to free all women from patriarchy, so that even the worst of the worst of women don't suffer with misogyny, not coddle the evil and the abusers just because of their sex.

There is so much difficult nuance, and there's too much reliance on the systemic to the point that the interpersonal is completely erased. It stops individual women from seeing anything in feminism that's useful to them. If they have counter-examples to any systemic issue, then they'll use those personal examples to dismiss that there's a systemic issue at all. If they're met halfway and the systemic vs the interpersonal is explained, then there's a much better chance that they'll pay attention or even go away to think about it to eventually become feminists, too.

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3 weeks ago

I know what's meant here, but I feel like men get away with their abuse and manipulation too often by tricking women into just believing that they're stupid. If they're stupid, they're not doing anything bad maliciously, they're just too stupid to know any better. Instead, it's a deliberately manipulative tactic by straight men to target vulnerable women and shield themselves from criticism or call outs.

Straight men will lie to TIFs' faces and tell them that they see them as men, all to get them into bed, then abandon them and laugh at them later.

Falsely claiming bisexuality also cements them as more believable "progressive allies," because suddenly, they're oppressed, too.

They can then push into LGB spaces, harass bisexual women and lesbians, and then get bisexuals in general blamed for their predatory, straight male behaviour.

If none of that works out, or someone sees through the bullshit, they drop the bisexual and then claim the nebulous queer instead, and any criticism is then immediately classed as homophobic, so there's no accountability at all.

If you’re ever feeling insecure about your intelligence just remember there are males out there who call themselves bisexual because they’re attracted to females and trans-identified females


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1 month ago

It might sound strange, but peaking about gender helped me to accept my bisexuality, understand feminism and start me on a real path to understand that I'm a person whose actual consent matters.

When I was younger and unsure (and quite hateful about) my bisexuality, and thoughtlessly repeated some feminist talking points, I ignored all of my doubts because they know better. At first, I didn't know why I was uncomfortable and upset about the push for bisexual women to accept being in sapphic relationships with males. Or why it was transphobic for a bisexual woman to not date/have sex with a TIM. Etc etc etc.

I doubted myself and my upset until I saw the sexual harassment of lesbians, and others that were much more intelligent and switched on than myself pointing out the lesbophobia and rape promotion and apologism, as well as the repeated, underlined anger about sexuality and consent.

It was first my outrage about lesbians (and, to a much lesser extent, gay men) that made me realise, wow, my sexuality doesn't implicitly suggest consent, which then made me sit back and actually consider how other women were fawning to avoid the rage and lesbophobia and biphobia and doxxing and rape and death threats, which then spread further to understanding my existence as a woman.

There's a stereotypical and misogynistic point that men bring up about how feminists are always miserable and obsessed about oppression, as if it ruins us somehow, but it absolutely does feel more grounding.

You spend your whole life isolated and only allowed crumbs of sanitised and safe "feminism," to the point where you dismiss every slight and every harm, from the mansplaining to the assaults as random or bad luck or whatever else, and then suddenly, you're not crazy or oversensitive anymore, you're able to understand it.

As twisted as it sounds, it's grounding and peaceful, too. If you can break free and question the so-called holy right of males taking everything female for themselves, when family members, friends, the media, charities and even governments promote it all as progressive, then you can question everything, and there's no more empowering start to a journey than that.

Does anyone else feel more grounded since becoming gc. I'm no longer being asked to ignore my instincts, my emotions, and the reality around me in favour of a constant "religious" trial. I used to be so disassociated, but now I can just point out the obvious and not feel like I'm going to burn in hell for it lmao. Lots of religious words in here but you get it. I mean it when I say tras are spiritual. You have to be to ignore reality that much. And it feels just as good when you deconvert.


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1 month ago

my professor spent our entire seminar whining about how there’s too many girls in our group and not enough boys. he was like “i’m not saying women can’t be good surgeons but we need more men” no, we don’t. men suck. deal with it.

2 weeks ago

just stumbled into a tiktok of a girl who was talking about her ex boyfriend, how he showed her the porn he’s into and it’s all pregnancy and childbirth fetish, to the point that he has a reddit account he uses just to jerk off to one of the most vulnerable moments of a woman’s life. she said he’s going to college to become an obstetrician.

i hate men i hate men I HATE MEN

.................it's always a mistake to underestimate how much time, effort, money, attention and focus men will dedicate to their perversions. "Nobody would go through the trouble of______________ to creep on women" A man would. A man would go through the trouble. Trust me.


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3 weeks ago

You can dodge and deflect all you want.

Recognising that sex is real and gender is a social construct is not "enforcing gender roles." Pretending that you're a woman because you like wearing dresses, however, is enforcing gender roles.

It isn't "grifting" to stand up for women's rights.

Helen Joyce is also correct. There is no real "transitioning." Whether you simply decide to larp your fetish by wearing dresses, or have surgery to remove your penis, you are no less male than from the moment you were born.

Everything trans is the modern, real version of The Emperor's New Clothes. Everyone knows that "trans women" are men, and "trans men" are women. Everyone that pretends otherwise is lying to either abuse others or because they're scared to say the truth out loud. In ten, fifteen years, this medical scandal will eclipse the thalidomide scandal as far as teens is concerned.

You can cry about Maya Forstater and Helen Joyce and every actual woman who stands up to protect our rights because you're angry that we won't agree to take part in your fetish as much as you'd like.

The fact that you still refuse to condemn a violent, abusive man sending death threats to women underlines how misogynistic you are.

You've had two replies from me now. That is the extent of how much attention you get from me. I'm uninterested in what a typical misogynistic man has to say, and I have no desire to be part of your humiliation fetish any longer.

They're Going To Have To Build A Statue Of JRK When This Is All Over. The Most Successful Author In History

They're going to have to build a statue of JRK when this is all over. The most successful author in history and one of the most impactful British feminists in history being the same person is insane.


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1 month ago
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2 weeks ago

Happy Pride Month! To kick off pride I'm busting some myths about the Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson, and giving some love and recognition to Stormé DeLarverie!

Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,
Happy Pride Month! To Kick Off Pride I'm Busting Some Myths About The Stonewall Riots, Marsha P. Johnson,

This was sitting unfinished for months but I got it together and completed it in time for pride.

Edit (6/12/23): I believe only the first Joseph Ambrosini photo was confirmed to be taken the first night of the Stonewall riots; I couldn't find sources that indicated if the other photos were taken on that same night or not.


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1 month ago

I think that it's because asexuality is to sexuality as gender identity is to sex.

There's no consensus on what asexuality even is.

If it's a sexuality, then it would be the simple state of not being attracted to either sex, the direct opposite to bisexuality, and then it's fair to discuss oppression, invisibility etc.

If it's a spectrum of whether someone is sex repulsed to someone who only enjoys sex after having a deep connection with someone else, then the real issues here are misogyny and pornification, since women tend to be the ones that claim some form of asexuality over men, and the idea of "I'm asexual because I need to form a connection to someone else emotionally before desiring sex and can't just fuck a stranger at a club like everyone else" is the definition of a pornified society. That also means that it's not a sexuality and it's wrong to conflate it with sexuality.

I personally can't see how asexuality can be both, but hearing "asexuality and aspec identities" does sound just like a sexuality version of people calling themselves "nonbinary."

I really dislike radfems hating on asexuals. Not desiring sex is deviant from what is expected of society, whether among the right or the left (yes, even among radfems and it's quite obvious). There's a level of sex negativity that is encouraged in these spaces (don't have sex with men), but people taking it further upsets you (because you're a woman with the same desire for sex as the men you dislike). I will always support asexuality and acespec identities. If you want sex positivity in any form and don't want those "annoying asexuals" to bother you, just go outside. Stop acting like your stance on sex is not a mainstream opinion


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