Have You Seen This Guardian Article? I'd Love Your Thoughts On The Last Two Paragraphs!

Have you seen this Guardian article? I'd love your thoughts on the last two paragraphs!

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/21/were-figuring-out-cool-ways-of-storytelling-how-tiktok-is-changing-the-way-we-watch-musicals

Fascinating article, but HOLY SHIT?

Have You Seen This Guardian Article? I'd Love Your Thoughts On The Last Two Paragraphs!

I KNEW WE WERE GETTING A GAME, BUT THREE?? AN ANIMATED MOVIE AND A STAGE SHOW??

If we get all of these it would be beautiful- (I wonder which High Level Company?? I’m nervous???) Also I NEED the stage adaptation- I’m gonna cry?

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did no one else think Mr. Romance Novel Heartthrob was a little too perfect? he’s a vet and a fire captain and runs the bnb and is the only good one on the town council and is hot and kind and- like no one’s actually LIKE that in real life. this is the kind of character eliot would play in a con. I get that this is sophie’s little hallmark fantasy but I did spend the entire episode waiting for the other shoe to drop with this guy.


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6 months ago

oh I do love the Leverage Gloat when the mark has only met one or two of the leveragers. POV you are being arrested for corporate malfeasance and your company’s inept new IT guy, a european duchess, and three random weirdos are lined up with their arms folded smugly like a boyband


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4 months ago

I've probably watched too much Leverage, because a man in campus cop uniform came in to ask questions about our box office safe today and my boss let him in and gave him all the info he wanted, no questions asked, and all I could think is that we are horrifically easy to con


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2 months ago

John Rogers, co-creator + executive producer: "Look, if we told you Eliot's entire timeline or Nate's entire timeline, you wouldn’t be able to have then have enough flexibility to fold that timeline in with Supernatural in your fanfics because they'd be no space for that. The space we leave is the space for you to write your slash! That's super important for us to do! We do that for you, people! The fans appreciate the empty space we leave so you can write your Buffy, Supernatural, NCIS, Criminal Minds, Leverage crossovers."

Geoffrey Thorne, co-producer + writer of this episode: "But don't do any Doctor Who ones because…"

John: "You're writing those."

Geoffrey: "Just don't do it."

Chris Downey, co-creator + executive producer: "You've staked those out?"

John: "He's staked those out."

— Leverage 10 Podcast: 512 The White Rabbit Job

*Kung Fu Monkey blog: LEVERAGE #205 "The Three Days of the Hunter Job" Post-game (August 24, 2009) for the original "I think fanfic is the sign of a healthy show" short essay

John Rogers, Co-creator + Executive Producer: "Look, If We Told You Eliot's Entire Timeline Or Nate's

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6 months ago

I can't stop thinking about this rabbit hole I went down a few weeks ago when I was procrastinating on my Iliad paper.

So basically. In the Lattimore translation of the Iliad (the one we read in class), he has Helen call herself a slut.

"That man is Atreus’ son Agamemnon, widely powerful,  at the same time a good king and a strong spearfighter,  once my kinsman, slut that I am. Did this ever happen?” (Lattimore 3.178-180)

Naturally I'm like yikes. Then I started wondering whether this was actually what it said in the Greek, and whether other translators disagreed.

(This is not a new thing to wonder about; people talked about this quite a bit after Emily Wilson discussed it.)

To summarize: the Greek word used here is kunops, which literally translates to dog-face or dog-eyed. This word is used precisely two other times in the Iliad: once in book one when Achilles is insulting Agamemnon and once in book eighteen when Hephaestus is talking about how his mother (Hera) threw him out. Surprise surprise, the male translators usually don't use the same word in those two places.

I could have stopped here, but naturally at this point I was like, obviously the best possible use of my time would be to go down into the depths of the library and see what word is used in these three places in every single translation of the Iliad that we have.

Too much time later, I ended up with this:

A table showing the words different translators used when they translated "dog-face" at three points in the Iliad. 

Each column is transcribed in this format:
Translation: Helen, Agamemnon, Hera

Chapman, 1611: ??, dog’s eyes, proud
Derby, 1864: lost, ingrate, none
Bryant, 1869: lost as I am to shame, shameless, shameless
Lang, Leaf, & Myers, 1883: shameless, dog-face, shameless
Butler, 1898: abhorred and miserable, shameless, cruel
Murray, 1924: shameless, dog-face, shameless
Rouse, 1938: shame (?), dogface, shameless
Smith & Miller, 1944: cur, cur, unnatural
Lattimore, 1951: slut, dog’s eyes, brazen- faced
Graves, 1959: shameless bitch, dog-faced wretch, shameless
Fitzgerald, 1974: wanton, dog-face, bitch
Fagles, 1990: whore, dog-face, bitch
Lombardo, 1997: shameless bitch, dogface, shameless
Verity, 2011: bitch-faced, dog, bitch
Mitchell, 2011: bitch, dog-face, bitch
Green, 2015: bitch, dog-face, bitch
Alexander, 2015 [female symbol]: dog-faced, dog-face, dog-faced
Wilson, 2023 [female symbol]: dog-face, dog-face, dog-face

The table is color-coded: variations on "dog-face" are blue, variations on "shameless" are orange, variations on "bitch" are red, and other vaguely negative terms are yellow

I think this table kind of speaks for itself.

Just. The way that the male translators all decide that when a woman is called "dog-face," that must mean that she's a shameless bitch, but when a man is called "dog-face," he can just be a dog-face. The bias is REALLY showing through here. I can understand shameless, but where are they getting slut bitch whore?

Lattimore is supposed to be the most literal translation! But then he just has to go and call Helen a slut for no apparent reason! Why would he do this where did it come from I want to scream. why do they assume that a woman criticizing herself has to be about sexual condemnation??

Some things that are worth noting!

As I mentioned, people have talked about this a lot in regards to Emily Wilson's translation! She gave a couple great interviews about her translation of this word (here and here). What many people forget is that she wasn't actually the first woman to translate the Iliad into English, nor was she the first person to translate the word as "dog-face." That was Caroline Alexander, eight years earlier. I love Wilson as much as the next person but let's not forget Alexander.

Yes dog-face is an insult! And yes it arguably is associated with shamelessness! There's a lot to unpack about why Helen was talking about herself this way. But it's really hard to analyze that when the bias of the male translators is bleeding through so much. I appreciate the decision to translate it literally and let readers decide for ourselves what she meant.


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2 weeks ago

thinking about this

Thinking About This

Woman: Who are you? Eliot: Well, ma'am, we'd be the cavalry.

Leverage 1x8 - The Bank Shot Job

Thinking About This

Flores: Who are you? Parker: I’m supposed to tell you, "We'd be the cavalry."

Leverage 3x16 - The San Lorenzo Job

Thinking About This

Ethel: We need real help. Where's the cavalry? Sophie: At the right moment, they'll be here. Probably. Possibly. I trust.

Leverage: Redemption 3x7 - The Shakedown in Clone-Town Job


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4 weeks ago

Looks like Nana's going to have to make room for another member of the family next Christmas


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