Thank you! Yeah, it's been bothering me for a while now that people in this fandom became so attached to the idea that the Remnants were all voluntary mass-murderers acting of their own free will. To start with, it basically means that Makoto and co. are complete assholes for trying to redeem such people through amnesia. To do that to terrorists who acted entirely of their own free will instead of putting them on trial would be an insult to all of their victims (both living and dead). Yet the writers were clearly wanting the players to sympathize with Makoto's cause, and don't treat what he's doing as reprehensible. And the very existence of the Neo-World Program implies that it's made with the intent to deprogram brainwashing. Then there's the fact that "someone preyed on my insecurities and made me depressed, so now I'm gonna blow up the world"...is just not a believable fucking heel turn at all. Human beings just don't work like that. I'm not saying that you couldn't tell a story where a moral person like say Mahiru Koizumi gradually becomes a complete monster. But it would take a hundred extra steps and need way more time. Class 77-B are all flawed people, but Jesus wept they're not THAT flawed. And something I forgot to bring up in the previous ask is another big logistical issue for Junko. They're not even in the same class. The SDR2 cast a year above her. Thus meaning the amount of time she could spend with them is even more limited. If anything it would have actually made more sense for her to pick Class 78 as her Remnants, since she at least has more time to work with them. One of the explanation I've heard is she did an evil variant of the FTEs during school lunch breaks or in the afternoon. Like...how even the fuck do you corrupt someone to that level over the course of a few private conversations? And to have it work perfectly with zero subjects acting conspicuously too early, or going on a bender, or just committing suicide? That is not a cunning manipulator you're writing. That is one of the worst examples of a Villain Sue I've ever seen, as you've just given her the most nonsensical winniest win that's ever been won.
LITERALLY. LIKEA CTUALLY. junko is a flat piece of cardboard to me
I’m not sure if you already seen this, but I already made a post detailing how DR3 missed an opportunity to explore Chisa Yukizome spreading her despairing influence all across Future Foundation, and the same with Kyosuke Munakata spreading his hopeful influence across the agency as well.
https://emmanueljmoreno.tumblr.com/post/621579421446537216/yukizome-and-munakata-or-a-missed-opportunity-in
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I did not see this! So thank you for sending it to me. I think you make some excellent points. I also very strongly believe that Yukizome and Munakata had all the elements to be one of the most compelling characters in the danganronpa series, Munakata especially. Like you said, it’s a bit odd that Yukizome wasn’t the main antagonist. Narratively speaking it makes the most sense. We connect with her in the beginning of future where they establish her connection to Munakata and how she also has a similar talent of Hope to Naegi. And in despair she is the one we learn more about and bond with. We see her struggle and her fall and her happiness and her sadness. We don’t get that for Tengan however, which makes us not connect well with him being the mastermind. Although, you could argue that she DOES as you propose, since she tricked Tengan into watching the despair video which led up to the events of dr3 future, but I think it was poorly executed, and that Yukizome should have shown more villaney.
As for Munakata I have always headcanons that he approves of immoral experimentation on individuals with despair in the name of hope. You can find a lot of parallels between HPA and the FF, both of which are incredibly corrupt in the name of “hope”. Munakata should’ve been a grey villian in the sense that we understand he is in the wrong but we also understand why he thinks this way. Such as thinking Naegi is dangerous and a threat. And these sort of experiments could lend to that. At first it started with antidepressants, then brainwashing, then torture. Nothing seems to work. This is why in Munakata’s eyes, who has bared witness to years of this testing, believes the only way to get rid of despair is to kill everyone with it. This lends into his corruption (his form of despair is more so “corrupted hope”, hence his eyes not being swirls). It also explains why he’d be so against Naegi’s own unethical (altho more “peaceful”) experiment on the remnants
There’s quite a lot of room to develop these characters in a compelling way, hence why I think dr3 future SHOULD have been a game and I’ll always be upset that it wasn’t
*pant!* *pant!* *pant!*
*Makoto is heavily outmatched by the duo of Celeste and Tsumugi, especially in the dark setting, but no matter what, he refuses to give up or run away, spurred on by the thought of causing the two of them immeasurable pain.
Erase me...Yeah, right... As if!
I'm the Ultimate Hope! Good fucking luck trying to wear me down!
GAGH!
AGH!
*Makoto gets hit in the shin with something hard and topples. He quickly rolls out of the way to avoid being shot at subsequently!
You know...the fact that you keep having to repeat that fact makes me think otherwise...You're disappointing Makoto...
Stop hiding behind my FRIENDS FACES!
*He throws a punch, but Tsumugi disappears into blackness again. Instead, his fist just collides with an invisible wall which he assumes is Celeste's dress.
Oh please...as if you have any right to call us your friends anymore...!
Grrrgh! RAAGH!
*He tries again. Same result.
Byakuya: In fact, I'm pretty sure because of what we've done...We'd all hate you Makoto...
And Mukuro would hate you too...
DON'T YOU DARE SAY HER NAME! UUGH!
*Makoto chases Tsumugi through the darkness, but gets tripped up again. He looks up to see Tsumugi learing down at him.
Ultimate Hope? Hero? Give me a break, you DROPPED US down an elevator shaft!
Yeah, well, apparently so did Uchui! And we did it for the same reason! To PROTECT THEM!
*WOOOSH!*
Since when was it up to you to decide what's best for us?
*WOOOSH!*
You're NOT special Makoto...You had ONE good moment in your life during the killing game, but what else did you do during it? You couldn't protect Sayaka, nor could you stop any of the murders! If you're really the hero you think you are, why don't you show it!?
RAAGGH!
*He once again tries to throw a punch, but Tsumugi jumps back and shifts again.
I was the BEST and most amazing the Future Foundation ever had to offer, but I gave up my life, so YOU could thrive! USELESS, PATHETIC MAKOTO got a chance to live a full life!
*WOOOSH!*
That's all we ever do, and it's why you keep us around! You protect our lives so that we may become sacrifices for yours! So that YOU can be happy!
THAT'S BULLSHIT!
*Makoto leaps up and attacks again, but this time, Tsumugi catches his fist. His punch is heavy though, and she's slightly faltered by it.
Everything I have ever done is for the express purpose of saving this world, and protecting the friends and family that I love! EVERYTHING comes from that want!
Well, you have done a MARVELOUS job, haven't you?
Ugh!
*Tsumugi throws a punch back, then starts darting between the shelves, rapidly shifting as she does.
You couldn't save me...!
*WOOSH!*
You COULDN'T stop me!
*WOOSH!*
Where were YOU when Jabberwock Island got destroyed!?
*WOOSH!*
Where were you when my friends were being kidnapped!?
*WOOSH!*
Nagito: Were you there when I attacked Kyoto and left Hajime Hinata to die!? NO!
*WOOSH!*
Did you stop Emilia Feng!? Did you even TRY to stop Kuripa Kurafto!? NO! You turned on ME! YOUR OWN SISTER!
SHUT THE FUCK UP! NONE OF THAT IS TRUE!
*Makoto, in a blind rage and panic, starts destroying the shelves around him, but this doesn't help an awful lot. Tsumugi just continues her tormenting.
@drawing-cookie UGLY_BARNACLE.psd
those misspellings tho check em out B’))
DANG and his buddy RONPA
game theory: is junko enoshima secretly george bush
i find the dehumanization of makoto to be so fascinating especially when compared to the dehumanization of junko
bc they both get reduced to the ideal they represent (hope and despair) only that for junko it happens after her death, which is what happens to martyrs. she becomes this symbol of despair for which people like monaca and the remnants strive for, specifically after she dies. her death is what cements her as this symbol
but for makoto, it happens whilst he's alive. he has to deal with the weight of being a symbol of hope, the weight of a world that desperately needs healing from the tragedy. he has to do that! he isn't given junko's luxury of being dead. he's alive and has to deal with the pain it inflicts on his deteriorating mental state
I think they should make a game where you explore the abandoned husk of Hope's Peak Academy and you're haunted by Class 78's ghosts. Maybe it's some team sent out to do the whole "rebuild the school that was the root of all these problems in the first place" thing that happened at the end of the anime for some stupid reason. I miss those kids and I think it would be fun if they became fucked up murderous spirits because of how much they were left by the wayside in the meta grand scheme of things and their in-world history was pulverized by just being reduced to a footnote to the "and Makoto Naegi saved the world because he just had so much hopey-hope-hope!" shit. Especially in the context of a renovation, papering over the bloody walls and sponging up the gore and pretending everything is as it was and always has been. It's compeeeeeelling and also I think you could have a lot of fun with it mechanically. I can see Taka as some red-light green-light sorta thing where you can only move when he's not looking at you. Chihiro makes tech around you glitch out or spark (to the point of potentially electrocuting you). Mondo oozes through a tight corridor as a terrible blob you have to run away from. Eerie singing echoes from the bathrooms. Please god think about it.
You know the more I play and replay Danganronpa, the more incredibly out-of-pocket it seems that the series ended on Naegi becoming the Principal of Hopes’ Peak Academy???? We’re ignoring V3 right now. I’m just talking mainline continuity.
Like, even ignoring all the crimes against humanity that the academy perpetrated or that their ever-growing pursuit of talent helped Junko bring about the end of the world, reopening Hope’s Peak goes against the core message of the games???
Makoto may be the “Ultimate Hope” and the “Ultimate Lucky Student,” but in his heart and in reality, he’s just an average kid who won a lottery. The fact he ISN’T special and yet becomes the savior of the world as his Super High School Level Classmates fall into despair around him is what makes him a great protagonist for the franchise! To attend Hope’s Peak you have to be scouted, but no one in the before-times was ever going to recognize an extraordinary ability to remain positive! The point of Makoto’s character is that people have talents that aren’t going to be recognized as useful or explementary, but they’re just as important to the survival of humanity as those who make ground-breaking discoveries or legendary artistic pieces.
It’s not a coincidence that every main character in the franchise (up to V3) was a “regular” person: Makoto, Hinata, Komaru. They may not be “special,” but they still do great things, because every human has the ability to make a difference in their world!
And it’s not just the main characters, because Ishimaru even states he hates being labeled as special, because he believes that “ordinary” people who work hard are the true Ultimates in society. And in Ultra Despair Girls, Toko takes offense at Komaru saying she doesn’t understand weakness, because by being “special” it makes her strong. Taking literally one thing a person excels at and making it their entire identity ignores the actual strengths and weaknesses that all humans have. Additionally, it discourages people from finding those strengths within themselves as Komaru was always so quick to try and give up and use her status as “normal” as an excuse to run away and not try.
On the other side of things, characters like Byakuya used their status as an excuse to hurt those that were “beneath” them. He manipulated crime scenes and was a just a general douche to literally everyone, because he thought he was better than them. By creating a society of stratification based on talent or wealth or whatever else, you are creating a society that is ripe to justify inequality and unfair treatment.
And going back to those crimes against humanity, it is the drive to become “great” when you’re not that spearheaded all those human experiments and mistreatments and treating humans like a game character to level up instead of a person to be treated with respect no matter their ability.
The fact that all of this was just ignored and that the series sort of turned its back on its very ethos in the last leg of the franchise is just baffling to me.
Concept: After the kids were rescued from their abusive family. They temporarily stayed with the Naegi family. One night, Kotoko wanted to stay with big brother Makoto, because she was afraid of sleeping alone. Then Masaru joined in a tsundere way, then Monaca. Jataro and Nagisa stayed with big sis Komaru. The next morning as the kids play in the park, Komaru claimed she enjoys being a big sister.